4 People. 4 Conversations. This Shouldn’t Have Happened. | Ryan, Butch, Matthew, Mick | 056

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You've learned a lot about
people in a short care

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development, so from that,
that's what I made the

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suggestion here.
Soon should be calling and the

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rest is history.
The conversation that Matthew

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and I have is literally the same
exact day that Ryan and I are

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sitting down at the birthday
party.

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I vividly remember that my
response to you was, well, show

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me somebody that hasn't had any
struggles.

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Welcome to When You Look, where
ordinary people share their

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extraordinary experience and you
get to decide was it coincidence

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or God?
Gentlemen, welcome to When You

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Look.
Pumped to have you boys on the

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show.
Thanks for having us.

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Well, guys.
Yeah, awesome.

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This is a super, super unique
story because we've got a lot of

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moving pieces in this one in
particular, and we get to see a

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lot of things play out that a
lot of times folks in certain

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stories don't really get to see
all of the dots connected.

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So I'm really excited to be able
to kind of talk this through

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with all of you guys,
particularly because I also

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happen to be kind of directly
involved in all of it.

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But before we get into all of
that, let's get to know each

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other and our audience have the
opportunity to get to know all

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of us.
So Butch Will with you, tell us

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a little bit about yourself.
Well, thank you, Mick.

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My name is Butch Brookshire.
I currently live in Texas,

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recently moved from a lifetime
of living in Virginia.

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I've never lived anywhere else.
So here I am, and I'm happy to

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be here.
Thank you for having me.

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Yeah, 100%, man.
Thanks a bunch for being on the

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show.
Matthew, tell us a little bit

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about yourself.
Yes, Sir.

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Thank you for having me.
Matthew Combi live in Virginia.

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I work for a local fire
department and recently within

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the last two years started a
franchise called Red Line Gear

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Cleaning where we go to fire
departments all over the state

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and help clean and repair their
gear that they have.

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So that is how I have been
connected within this story and

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I'm excited to be here.
Yeah, awesome man.

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But we are pumped to have you,
Ryan.

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Tell us a little bit about
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Hey, I'm Ryan.
I, I grew up in Hanover and I

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mean, I currently work for Matt.
I don't.

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Not a whole lot to say, yeah.
Yeah, awesome.

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Well, listen guys, we are super
excited to be able to kind of

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talk through all of this because
it's really interesting and

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unique way in which what Ryan
just talked about is that how he

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ends up coming to work for Matt.
So everybody that's listening,

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everybody that's watching, you
got a little bit of an idea here

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about how this particular arc is
going to land.

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But there's so much really cool
stuff along the way.

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So let's just start to jump into
that because I was directly

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involved in a lot of this story
as well.

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And so Butch, you and I got
connected through a mutual

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friend by the name of Rick.
And the back story on all of

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that is I had launched A
consulting business in 2020 and

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it was really falling apart.
And it was totally God's design

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that it was falling apart, but
at the time, it absolutely did

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not feel like that.
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colleagues, even though he
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But we were very much peers in
one of the spaces that I

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consulted in.
And I ended up talking to Rick

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about how the business was not
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And Rick said to me, he goes,
you should have lunch with my

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buddy Butch.
And Butch, you and I had sort of

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like seen each other over the
years.

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I had heard your name, but we
otherwise essentially had

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absolutely no connection.
And you and I sat down for lunch

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in late 2021.
And what my intention was for

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that lunch was exclusively to
help you because as it had been

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framed to me from Rick, you had
recently transitioned to a new

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employer.
And so as a business guy, as a

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sales guy, I'm like, OK, great.
Rick suggests we get together

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and I'm immediately thinking,
what kind of value can I add to

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Butch?
And so I'm like, OK, well, I've

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got a network.
Sure, Butch is a seasoned sales

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professional, but he's, he's in
a new space because you went

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from kind of a payroll world and
human Capital Management over to

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staffing.
And so I'm thinking going into

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this lunch, I'm thinking perhaps
there's someone or something in

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my network that I can utilize to
help add value to Butch.

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That was 100% my intention for
you and I having lunch together.

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So we sit down then for lunch
and as I recall it again, want

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you to be able to weigh in on
all of this here in one second.

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As I recall it, that's really
largely what we talked about up

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until basically the end when you
mentioned something to me.

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But before we talk about what do
you exactly mentioned, why don't

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we just give us your
recollection of that lunch?

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Of course.
So we have a mutual friend, as

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you've indicated, and Rick
Collins.

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And Rick is always trying to use
the term the art of the deal.

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But let's talk about it from a
different perspective, the art

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of the network in the art of the
relationships.

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And he's always shared with me.
You should talk to this person.

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I've routinely talked to Rick
about my life.

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So we're always looking to
explore where we can bring

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benefit not just to each other,
not just ourselves, but the

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elders.
And of course, he suggested that

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you and I connect.
And, you know, as we bet, we go

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backwards.
You and I both were in the kind

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of the payroll, human Capital
Management world.

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And we had some interests that
were mutually beneficial that

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you may.
And so we just sat on and

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chatted, got to know one
another.

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And through that conversation, I
really picked up on the fact

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that you had a lot of experience
and you were certainly classic

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in terms of your sales and sales
training.

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And I knew of an opening that
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I've recently joined.
It's not unusual for me to do

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this.
I've helped several people move

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from companies to companies or
help them find jobs.

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Just what I think it's important
for us to do to help one

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another.
And without knowing anything

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about your prior situation, I
said, you know, I know of

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something here in our company
and my initial sort of response

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with the company had been very
positive, the implementation,

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the vision, the leadership.
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anything else, you'd be a great
fit for our organization, not in

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my group, but in another more
senior level group in an

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enterprise selling.
So that's really my, my, my

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ability to connect you was out
of the connection in the trust

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that I felt that we were able to
build during that lunchtime.

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And you know, you read the room,
if you may, and you learn a lot

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about people in a short period
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So from that, that's when I made
the suggestion.

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Here's who should be calling and
rest is history if we met.

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But.
That's how it all came around.

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Yeah, well, we're going to.
We're going to explore that

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history that you just talked
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But here's what's really wild
when you ask me about all this.

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So we'd all just heard how Butch
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OK, Butch has no awareness of
the back story that I'm about to

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give my wife.
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that my consulting business
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And this is December of 2021.
And so literal days before Butch

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and I sit down for lunch and as
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help Butch out.
Butch has no awareness of any of

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this.
My wife and I are on our knees

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basically saying to God, OK, the
business has failed, we need

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you.
I entered into that business

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without His direction and his
guidance and I had to repent and

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that's why we were on our knees.
And so days before Butch and I

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sit down for lunch, I'm
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repenting and asking him to
provide a job.

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But this isn't public.
Nobody knows this.

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So days later after that prayer,
Butch and I are sitting down and

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I can't overstate this enough.
I mean, we, we've never even

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talked about any of that.
And out of nowhere he suggests

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this particular, like he
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sales position.
And I told Butch, thanks for

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letting me know I'm not in the
job market, which was

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technically true because I
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work, but also very much a lie
in that we were very hopeful

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that I was going to find a job,
but I had truly not actually

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started looking for work.
And it was my my strategy going

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into the conversation that I was
never even thinking about me.

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And then it was my pride that
couldn't say to Butch right out

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of the gates.
Yeah, I'm interested in that.

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So I go home, I look up the
position and I'm like, huh, this

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looks really interesting.
I could totally do this work

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like this looks like it's
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So we prayed about it.
I swallowed my pride.

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I called Butch.
I think I called you that

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following Monday.
And I think I think it was a

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Thursday or a Friday.
I actually think it was a Friday

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that we had that lunch and I
called you the following Monday.

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And I was like, hey, I know I
told you I wasn't interested in

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that job.
Now I'm interested and tell

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everybody what your response
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Actually, I was surprised if I
remember correctly, because you

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played it as a blank wall when I
told you about this job.

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And in my read on you was now
he's really not interested

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because when I think people are
looking for jobs and I share it

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with him, I'm looking for a
different level of emotion.

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And you played it very close to
invest.

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And when you called me and let
me know, I mean, I was shocked

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if you may happy, happy to hear
about it because I thought you

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were a really great fit for the
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But it was surprising and it was
a good surprise though, that we

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were able to start this journey
of helping you get a job.

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So.
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We're going to keep it quiet
when we met for sure.

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Yeah.
Well, thank you for adding all

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of that color there.
So kind of here's how it flowed.

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Butch is like, OK, I'll have the
recruiter call you.

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And that's literally what
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I think the following business
day, the recruiter called me and

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four interviews later and we'll
call it about a month, I started

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working for Peopleshare and that
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So again, we all have a kind of
this idea of of how this arc

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lands.
So then it's like, OK, well what

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does Nick and Butch having lunch
and Nick getting this job have

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anything to do with Ryan working
for Matthew?

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Well, this is kind of where we
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So Matthew and I go to the same
church and from 2022 to 2024, I

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work at Peopleshare and
Peopleshare is a staffing

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company.
And Matt, this is where we're

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going to kind of like begin to
get a little bit of insight from

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you.
But obviously, you know, like

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we, we knew each other, but you
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and me being in staffing, right,
with no real extra degree of

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specificity, right?
You just kind of like knew me as

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a staffing guy.
So tell us a little bit more

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about all that.
So like you said, it's, it's all

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about the connections.
So we, we have been in these

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small groups together.
We had spent some time together

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and knew, knew about each other
and we had fostered this

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relationship through two years.
And, and come to the point that

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I had decided that I was going
to start this franchise always

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looking for opportunities to
grow and improve on the business

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side.
And this was an opportunity that

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it presented itself.
So I'd started the business and

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I had hired 3 guys to work for
me and the business took off to

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a point that I was like, I need
more people and I need good

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people that'll work.
So my wife and I had talked

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about it at home and she was
like, why don't you ask people

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at church if they know of
anybody that's looking for a

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job?
She's like, we've got plenty of

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college kids, we've got high
schoolers, they can work during

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the summer, just whoever might
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And I believe that was on a
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And we came to church on Sunday
and we had seen you, Mick, and,

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and your family coming into
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And Allie looked at me and said,
hey, why don't you touch base

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with Mick?
So after the service came up to

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you and said, hey, Mick, I'm
looking for people that want to

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work.
If you know of anybody, let me

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know.
And I do believe that's where

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the conversation ended for, for
that moment.

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And it wasn't until later that
afternoon you had given me a

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call.
Yeah.

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Well, we'll hold on that call
for a second.

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So let's just kind of describe a
little bit more in terms of how

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this interaction goes between
you and I because I think it's

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really important.
So thank you for the lead up on

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all of that.
That's that was absolutely

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wonderful.
And and even a little of

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additional context that I wasn't
aware of.

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So as I kind of recall it and
and there's so many people

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beyond just the four of us that
can relate to this, where you're

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in a large group setting,
whether it's a professional

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setting or it's a casual setting
or it's a church setting where

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you see people that you know and
you give them like sort of like

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the look like, hey, I kind of
acknowledge you, you know what I

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mean?
And because you and I were

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buddies for years, there'd be
plenty of times where I'm

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completely consumed by my kids
and you're the same thing, you

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know what I mean?
You're talking to somebody or

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I'm talking to somebody and it's
just sort of like a hey, you

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know, see you, but good to go,
right?

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But you gave me this look.
This look was like I need to

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talk to you.
And I was just totally jammed

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up.
So like I went the way that I

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went.
I certainly wasn't ignoring you,

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but like just sort of like
situationally played out in that

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we kind of went our separate
ways at least momentarily.

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And then you kind of like sought
me out.

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Like you came up to me in a
different part of church and the

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conversation went very similar
to what you were talking about.

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You're like, hey, I'm having
trouble hiring people.

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Can you like make any
recommendations?

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And and if you know anybody
right?

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And I remember saying she was
like, hey, I'm not in staffing

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anymore.
And because I wasn't at that

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point, I had left the staffing
world as of May of 2024.

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So I've now been out of staffing
for a while.

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And I also even said like, hey,
even when I was in staffing, I

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sold staffing services, but I
never did any recruiting.

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So I'm like, dude, I love you.
I'm sorry about out challenging

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this is I don't really know,
maybe try like an online

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recruiting platform or
something.

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And you were kind of like, OK, I
don't know if you want to add

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anything else about the other
one, but I didn't give you much,

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you know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.

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So I was able to do some
research and determine the

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actual day that you and I had
that conversation, Matthew.

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And it's September 15th of 2024.
And so we're recording this

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conversation in late 2025.
So it's more than a year ago.

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But the reason I'm actually
specifically aware of that date

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is because it was the date of a
birthday party.

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And here's how some more of the
connection begins.

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So Ryan's brother is a guy named
Eric.

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Well Eric and his wife.
They have a couple of kiddos.

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Their kiddos, my kiddos all end
up going to the same preschool.

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And so we became friends through
our children ultimately.

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And Ryan's brother invites me
and my family over for their

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son's 5th birthday party.
And Brian is at the birthday

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party.
And so I go up to Brian.

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Hey, Bud, how's it going?
Like, good to see you.

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And we start chatting.
Ryan, do you remember this

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conversation?
Yeah.

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Tell us a little bit about it
from your perspective.

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I certainly have mine, but let's
hear it from your perspective.

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Well, I I don't know that we had
met before that party, had we?

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I think we did.
Maybe it's just because your

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brother had always told me so
much cool stuff about you that I

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was like, OK, I felt like I just
knew you, but we may not have

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actually met.
Truthfully, I don't think we did

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because I was wearing a pair of
loop holed sunglasses and you

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came up to me and you said I've
seen those sunglasses before.

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And I was like, that's kind of
weird because I don't know this

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guy.
Why is he seeing my sunglasses?

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And I was like, oh, yeah.
And you were like, yeah, that's

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How I Met your brother.
I had seen him wearing the

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sunglasses.
I guess it was a church or

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something.
He was wearing my sunglasses.

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And you came up and you saw the
loophole, which is a pretty

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clear indicator somebody's
shooting guns.

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So I think that's how you and
Eric kind of, you know, buddied

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up.
Yeah, in fact, it was.

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It was at a birthday party.
Was at another kid from

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preschool birthday party.
I noticed that Eric was wearing

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a pair of Loophole sunglasses.
And to your point, that's a very

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distinct brand.
You know, somebody's wearing a

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pair of Ray Bans.
They could be doing a lot of

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things, you know what I mean?
Somebody's wearing a pair of

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Oakleys.
They probably have a lot of

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different interests.
Somebody wears a pair of

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Loophole sunglasses pretty much
indicates that they like to

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shoot.
So I noticed that and that's how

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Eric and I started to have some
conversations and how we

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ultimately became friends over
some period of many months prior

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to that particular birthday
party to pick back up where you

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were.
Yeah, no.

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So, yeah.
So we just sat down and I kind

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of gave you like my story about
what I'd been going through and

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like my work history, I spent
1617 years doing like

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construction management and
civil engineering work.

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But you know, some stuff
happened and I was just looking

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for any work at that point and I
just needed to pay bills really.

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And you were like, well, there's
this guy at work who just needs

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guys.
He was like, he just needs guys

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that are responsible, that can
do a good job.

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And, you know, I'll give him a
shout and see what happens.

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So it was like a week later or
less, I get a call from Matt and

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I think I'm my my first job was
also in September down in

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Damascus, VA After that
hurricane, too, though, it was a

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pretty quick, pretty quick turn
around, yeah.

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Well, I appreciate you sharing
all that.

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I want to also add a little bit
of color.

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So we basically I sat down next
to you just to just to chat,

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man.
And I remember us having a great

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conversation, and you were
describing all of what you were

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just sort of talking about a
little bit there.

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And I remember asking you the
question, so what's next for

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you?
And your response was, I'm

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looking for work.
And I said, oh, OK, like what

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kind of work?
And I remember you saying, man,

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I'll basically take anything.
And I even heard you say or

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remember you saying, I mean, I
don't really want to go be a

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barista, but if I need to be a
barista and make 15 bucks an

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hour, I'll go be a barista.
And I was like, all right, that

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was like, those kind of words
mattered because that signaled

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to me that you were genuinely
looking for any kind of work.

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And just so that everybody is
clear here, the conversation

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that Matthew and I have where I
give him a giant I got nothing

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for you, buddy, is literally the
same exact day that Ryan and I

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are sitting down at the birthday
party.

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So there's maybe 3 hours worth
of elapsed time in between me

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telling Combi I got nothing and
me sitting next to you at the

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birthday party.
So I end up saying to you, and

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you were kind of talking about
this as well.

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I ended up saying I was like,
OK, I got a buddy and I'm going

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to make a call after this
birthday party.

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So that's exactly what I did.
And Combi, I called you Matthew,

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I called you and I was like,
actually I texted you.

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I texted you to give you a heads
up and I was like, I need to

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talk to you today.
Can you give me 5 minutes?

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And we ended up speaking and I
told you, you know, what I knew

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in terms of, you know, Ryan's
back story and all of that type

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of stuff.
And it was to, to my delight,

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just amazing how you handled all
of that.

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So do you recall that
conversation that you and I had?

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So you had called and are we?
We had touched base and and you

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had told me that you had run
into someone that you thought

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might be a fit force, but you
weren't sure.

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You had told me that the
individual you had talked to had

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some struggles in the past and
and it was no skin off your back

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if it didn't work out, but you
were just throwing it out there

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because you know, I was looking
for people.

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I vividly remember that my
response to you was or show me

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somebody that hasn't had any
struggles.

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I've had struggles in my past as
well.

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And I'm willing to give anybody
a shot to do anything that we

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need help with, firm believer
that everybody deserves a second

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chance, regardless of of what it
is.

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And so I told you, I said, I'll,
I'll give him a call now and

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give him a shot.
I don't mind.

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Doesn't matter what it is, we
can work through it as long as

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we're open and honest with each
other.

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Man, thanks, Matt, because it
that's pretty much exactly how

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it went from my recollection.
And I remember you saying I'd be

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glad to have that conversation
with him.

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So I hung up.
We hung up.

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And Ryan, I texted you like, I'm
calling you.

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And then I called you and I was
like, dude, here's the deal.

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Here's what he does.
Here's what he knows.

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Like I'm super glad to have been
involved in this.

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But this is totally your thing.
Like go have the conversation

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with him.
And do you want to, Brian, do

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you want to talk a little bit
about how that conversation with

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Matthew went?
Yeah, yeah.

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So, well, first let me, I was
having issues like struggles

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with alcohol, you know, I just
want to tell everybody knows

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like I didn't didn't kill
anyone.

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And it wasn't like that kind of
second chance.

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But yeah.
So Matt called and I was like,

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you know, again, my background
is very technical, extremely

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technical.
So I remember Matt calling and I

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had all these questions.
I'm like, because I really

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didn't know what what it was
that he was doing yet and I was

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like, look man, do I need to
like shave my beard for like

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PPE?
Do I need where respiratory?

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Like.
What are we doing and stuff?

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And that's, you know, just about
as laid back as it gets.

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He's like, no, just whatever you
want.

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You can wear shorts to work.
You can keep your beard, all of

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this.
But like in my mind, like I'm

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always like thinking about 5
steps ahead of, you know, where

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we are.
So I started eating, I started

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asking about all these questions
and I was like, look, I can't

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drive.
I'm not going to be able to

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drive for a long time.
Even when I can legally drive,

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it's still going to be longer.
And I live in the city and

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that's pretty far from Hanover.
And I had never in my life had

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someone just go, yeah, that's
that's no problem.

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We'll just come get you.
Because my, my biggest thought

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looking for work in the
situation I'm in was, you know,

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I can't drive and you know, you
need a certain amount of money

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to pay bills.
So how am I going to get a job

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that pays enough that I can
afford an Uber to and from every

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day and still bring home a
decent amount of money?

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Because that's the kind of
situation that I'm in.

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It's like 15 bucks an hour is
OK, But when if you guys spend

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$40 a day on an Uber, it kind of
wipes out all your net income.

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So having that just go, that's
no issue, man.

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We'll have somebody come get you
always like, this is the best.

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I mean, and you know, the hours,
you know, I told him too.

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I was like, look, I can work at
at the time, I could only work

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during the day.
I couldn't do overnights just

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for, you know, where I'm where
I'm living currently.

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But that changed quickly.
And they were like, dude, you

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got a job, you can go work
whenever.

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So yeah, it's just turned.
I mean, it's turned out to be

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about the perfect fit for me.
I don't know if that answer the

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question, but that's just. 100%
man, 100%.

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00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,520
So just to touch back on that
phone call with Ryan, it was one

448
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,520
of those that from a previous
life that I had where I worked

449
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,960
in law enforcement.
I told him I was like, I don't

450
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,560
need you to tell me everything.
I get it.

451
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,440
We're going to take care of you
and let's let's do this.

452
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
And at at some point to that
conversation, just like Ryan

453
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,000
just said it was, it was almost
like he was trying to throw

454
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,640
curveballs out there to, to give
me a reason not to say yes, but

455
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,640
it wasn't going to work.
So we kept pushing forward.

456
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,120
And so Ryan, Ryan started with
us.

457
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,800
I believe he was the first one
that I hired within the company

458
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040
that did not have a public
safety first responder

459
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,160
background.
So I called our operations guy

460
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,920
and I was like, hey, I've hired
this guy, we're going to see how

461
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,360
it works out.
Here's the deal.

462
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,040
You're going to go pick him up
every morning.

463
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,000
And that's what it is.
And so Ryan came on the first

464
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,560
job, like you said, I believe it
was down in Damascus, VA, where

465
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,080
we had gone down after the
hurricane to help clean some

466
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,560
gear for the fire department
down there.

467
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,800
I didn't go down the first day
because of other work

468
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,480
obligations.
But the first phone call I got

469
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,120
from our operations guy was, hey
man, I don't know where you

470
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,120
found them already works hard
and he hasn't complained and

471
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,040
he's going to fit well with us.
So, so that's where it went.

472
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,960
Ryan has has performed,
performed well with within our

473
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,480
company and is one of the guys
that we lean on now with almost

474
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440
every job that we have because
of his willingness to show up,

475
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,720
his willingness to work and just
to be there for us.

476
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,120
So he is, he's a very important
asset that we have.

477
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,880
So it has worked out well and
gone better than ever imagined.

478
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Wow, praise God, man, so cool.
Well, guys, man, I think we've

479
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:55,000
completed the story arc here and
just get so pumped listening to

480
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,840
this.
I mean, I'm looking at Butch

481
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,840
your your smile.
And I mean, it's it's super,

482
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840
super, super neat.
So we're going to land the plane

483
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:11,640
guys with the question questions
that we ask all of our guests.

484
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,640
And they're twofold.
The first of which is, was it

485
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,000
coincidence or God?
And I'll be responding with all

486
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,680
of these, but I want to lay some
of these things out because it

487
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,360
also serves as a bit of a recap
for a lot of what we've talked

488
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,680
about.
So the first scenario is, is

489
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,720
that Butch has absolutely no
idea that I'm looking for work

490
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,400
and suggests a job that ends up
being quite literally like an

491
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,400
amazing position that I
legitimately really, really

492
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,680
loved being in that role and
working for the wonderful woman

493
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,120
that I worked for at
Peopleshare.

494
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Like that was just absolutely
awesome and completely out of

495
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,600
the blue.
And then Matt, you and I end up

496
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,040
in small group, right?
I'm the quote UN quote staffing

497
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000
guy.
And then you come up to me on a

498
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,120
particular Sunday morning,
September 15th, 2024, and kind

499
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,360
of seek me out.
And then that just so just so

500
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,680
happens to be the exact date of
the birthday party.

501
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:23,560
But months before all of that,
Ryan's brother is wearing Ryan's

502
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,800
sunglasses, not his own
sunglasses, at a birthday party

503
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840
that he and I both happened to
be at.

504
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,360
So there's a lot of potential
coincidences here.

505
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,040
And, well, I'm just going to cut
right to the chase.

506
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,240
So I'm going to answer the
question first, OK?

507
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440
And then each of you will go
around to Butch, then Matt, and

508
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,000
then Ryan.
And guys, answer it genuinely,

509
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,560
please, whatever you believe it
to be.

510
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,960
But I look at all of those
things and for me, there's

511
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,000
absolutely no way that that was
coincidental.

512
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
That is 100% God.
I think every bit of those

513
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,800
pieces got moved around on
purpose by God.

514
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,640
And I'm blown away by all of
that.

515
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,400
So Butch, give us your genuine
response to coincidence or God.

516
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120
So back I had a big fan of
coincidences.

517
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,960
I, I truly believe this is fully
God's alignment.

518
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,480
You know, being open to an
opportunity to serve and, and

519
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,800
try to help others really just
shows the alignment and how God

520
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,080
can use all of us for just
changing the lives or helping

521
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,280
the lives of others.
So I don't believe at all that

522
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:50,160
was coincidence.
Yeah, thanks Ryan.

523
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Coincidence or God man?
And fire away with with any and

524
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
all dude space for any answer
here.

525
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,160
No, I mean I'm I'm admittedly
not the most religious person.

526
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,760
I, I do believe in a higher
power.

527
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440
And since I started to change
things about myself and the way

528
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:15,560
that I act and react over the
last few years, I'm starting to

529
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,360
see things a little differently.
Like I'm starting to see things

530
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,840
just kind of work themselves
out.

531
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,240
And, you know, there's a lot of,
there's a lot of stress for me,

532
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,320
you know, looking for work and
with the things that had

533
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,720
happened.
So I had spent a lot of time

534
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
just kind of just kind of
crapping on myself, you know,

535
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,880
just thinking like this is, you
know, nothing's going to work

536
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,680
out.
Like Matt had said when I talked

537
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800
to him, I was throwing
curveballs because I'm ahead.

538
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,920
I'm like, look, I just, I'm down
in the dumps.

539
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Nothing's working out.
Here's what's going on.

540
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840
If you want to hire me,
whatever, you know, I'm not

541
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,920
going to work out.
I'm, you know, just crapping on

542
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,960
myself.
But since I've, you know,

543
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,760
started to make some changes in
my personal life, and like I

544
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,600
said, the way I act to react,
things do work out.

545
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,400
So coincidence?
Forgot.

546
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,840
I don't know.
Yeah.

547
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,880
But I can tell you, if you
start, you know, looking in

548
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,480
yourself and making the right
changes, things seem to happen

549
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,679
outside as well.
Yeah dude, thanks for the

550
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,360
transparency there man.
Really appreciate the genuine

551
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,320
response Matt.
Coincidence or God?

552
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,719
Definitely a God thing.
I would say that if it was one

553
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,560
of these instances that took
place, I would probably have to

554
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,360
go with coincidence.
However, the totality of all of

555
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,199
them occurring to put all those
pieces in place was definitely a

556
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,719
God thing with his hand on it to
make sure that all of it

557
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,440
happened the way he wanted it
to.

558
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,480
Guys, thank you all for your
response to that.

559
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,360
We're going to start with Butch
here on our final question, and

560
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,480
that is how has your life
changed as a result of all the

561
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,880
stuff we've talked about today?
Well, I won't say that it's

562
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,400
changed.
I say it's been enhanced.

563
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,280
It's a reminder that it's
important to put God first, to

564
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,800
make yourself available to
others, to seek opportunities

565
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,520
where you can help others.
And you could actually see the

566
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,280
outcome here today.
And so I think it's just

567
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,080
validation, Mick, as much as
anything, how important the

568
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:35,040
connectivities are among people.
Yeah, thanks, Butch.

569
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,320
Matt, what about you?
How has life changed?

570
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,560
The biggest change would be that
I'm seeing more success within

571
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,680
every aspect of what we're
doing, whether it's in my

572
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,120
personal life or with the
business or with the career that

573
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080
I chose many years ago to be a
firefighter.

574
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:03,040
Just seeing that the connections
that you make are truly there

575
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,840
for a reason.
Whether you see it immediately

576
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,240
or if it is sometime down the
road, those people are put in

577
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,440
your life for a reason.
Sometimes we won't ever know the

578
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
reason, but sometimes we get to
have opportunities like this

579
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,280
that that you see why people are
there.

580
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Yeah, man.
Thanks for sharing.

581
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Ryan.
How has life changed for you?

582
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,160
I mean, it's nice to have like,
for me, like a sort of purpose

583
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,000
at work, you know, just to have
something to look forward to.

584
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,000
I was really worried that I was
going to be a barista, you know,

585
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080
that's not really what I'm
looking for.

586
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,920
So it's nice to like, have a
group of guys that I can talk to

587
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
and enjoy working with.
And really, I mean, the

588
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
opportunity at Red Lines kind of
been a perfect fit for me

589
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,640
because I still get to see my
family, which is the most

590
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,080
important thing for me.
And yeah, it's just been a

591
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,640
blessing overall.
Yeah, man, that's so cool.

592
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,240
Well, the same question comes to
me.

593
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,000
How has my life changed on the
whole?

594
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,680
It's really helped me to see
that God is literally in all

595
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320
things.
So like, what I mean by that is

596
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,920
we outlined all of these little
pieces, but like, I mean, I look

597
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,960
at how each of those little
things happen.

598
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,720
Like even to the tune of Ryan's
brother wearing Ryan's

599
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,080
sunglasses, not his own
sunglasses.

600
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,120
If he's not wearing those
sunglasses, I'm not going up to

601
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,000
him.
I'm just not.

602
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,720
And that conversation and then
all the other things that we've

603
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,000
outlined that that that swirl
around that we in most

604
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,720
instances, like Matthew, you
were talking about this like

605
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,680
it's so incredibly rare that we
get to see the pieces come

606
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720
together.
And that's why I was so excited

607
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,000
for all four of us to be in this
conversation.

608
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,240
Like this is the full arc.
I mean, Ryan, the fact that

609
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,320
you're on here, dude is amazing
to be able to have everybody

610
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,840
that was involved in this
involved in this.

611
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,880
And so for me, I, I am
encouraged by what I experienced

612
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,280
in all of this, which is, which
is for me, the particular

613
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,520
learning or the lesson or
whatever is that man God is in

614
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,280
all things.
Because even the stuff that I

615
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,440
don't even think he would be in,
I could very much be a part of

616
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,400
or any one of us could be a part
of.

617
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,520
And to Matthew's point, like we
may never know, but I'm kind of

618
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,120
learning like there's a good
chance he's using US in any

619
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,720
given time and we're just never
going to know about it.

620
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,080
And yet we get these really neat
little glimmers of, Hey, I'm

621
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,800
going to I'm going to show you
guys the full thing now, you

622
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,320
know, so it's, it's just being
massive encouragement to me to

623
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,120
go, OK, God's in this.
I got to keep on loving him

624
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,320
because he clearly loves me and
he loves others.

625
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:29,080
So guys, really appreciate all
of you boys being on here.

626
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,760
Ryan, thank you for sharing
transparently about the

627
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,040
challenges with alcoholism and,
and what that created for you

628
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,960
and how things have really begun
to work themselves in a positive

629
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,280
direction.
Matt, thanks for saying yes,

630
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,280
Butch, thanks for being you man.
And and and bringing stuff up

631
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,160
that on the surface wouldn't
have made a lot of sense and and

632
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,160
you did it anyway.
So it's been a real pleasure,

633
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
guys.
Thank you each for being on When

634
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440
you Look and telling your parts
of this this great story.

635
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,760
Thanks.
Thank you.

636
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:18,000
Was it coincidence or God?
You decide for yourself, but I

637
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,800
believe you just heard a story
for His glory.

638
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,240
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