God Told Me Not to Take the Job… I Did Anyway | Healey Ikerd, LPC, LMFT | 054

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Went through the interview, it
was really good.

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However when I left the
interview I really felt like God

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was saying don't take that job.
When they called back and

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offered, I took a minute but I
still accepted the job mainly

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out of fear.
Welcome to When You Look, where

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ordinary people share their
extraordinary experiences and

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you get to decide was it
coincidence or God Healy?

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Welcome to When You Look.
Super pumped to have you on the

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show, genuinely.
I am super excited to be here.

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I love your podcast.
Thank you very much.

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And and it's literally made
great by the amazing stories

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that people like you share.
Truly 100%.

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That's what it's all about.
And so we're going to get to

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your story in one quick moment,
but we have to get to know you a

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little bit before that.
So tell us a little bit about

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yourself.
That is hard to sum up, so let

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me share like the the big thing
is I'm a licensed counselor in

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Arkansas and a licensed marriage
and family therapist.

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I'm married, I've got 4
grandchildren.

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And let's see, I have a small
farm here in Arkansas with goats

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and chickens.
And I do podcast.

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I've got a few books.
And so I'm kind of busy.

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Yeah.
And.

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You are a veteran as well,
correct?

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That that is true, yes, I am.
Yeah, so.

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From the Army and Army Reserve,
yeah.

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And how many years were you in?
I was in a total of 13 years.

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So yeah, it was a lot of fun and
it was good to transition to

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kind of hard, but it was I
enjoyed my time there so.

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But all good things must end.
Indeed.

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Well, listen, thank you for
giving us that background.

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I think it's very diverse.
It's neat to also hear about

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your veteran experience.
And I think some of that may

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play through certainly in your
work, but also in your story.

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So let's jump right into your
super neat story, give us a

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little bit of back story, and
then walk us through things as

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they went for you.
Yeah.

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Well, I'll just give some back
story to how I got in the

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counseling field.
I when I was in active duty

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military overseas, they had a
master's program that you could,

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you know, attend.
And so they didn't have many to

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choose from, maybe business and
something else that was totally

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not me and one that called human
relations and that sounded

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interesting.
It was kind of a, you know,

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hodgepodge of different courses
in that degree, but a few of the

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courses were counseling courses.
And so I got very interested in

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counseling.
And 1 of this is the power of

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words and encouragement.
One of the instructors, maybe a

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couple of them said, you know,
when we're role-playing and

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stuff, hey, you're, you're
pretty good at this.

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Have you ever thought about
going into counseling?

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Because he was a, a counselor
and I had not thought of that,

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but I took back here and when I
got out of the military, I was,

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you know, it'd been a couple
years and I was like, what do I

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want to do with my life?
I was working a good job.

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I was working for nonprofit.
I like, loved it.

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But anyway, I, I was like, I, I
think I want to do counseling

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and I had to go back and get
another degree to do that, But I

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did that.
And, and then as I was because

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at a certain point in the
counseling program, you have to

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begin interning and actually
counseling clients.

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And so I couldn't have my full
time job and that job.

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So I had to go to work at an
agency so I could get some of my

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internship hours.
I volunteered some and worked

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some and, and that's ended up,
once I got my license, I ended

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up staying there and working so
for, yeah, few years, many, many

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years I think.
But anyway, so that's kind of

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how I got into counseling.
So from there I worked at that

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agency for a long time.
I really, really enjoyed it.

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The last few years they've had
some changes in leadership and

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we started now a lot of probably
other businesses have this, but

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we started getting quotas and,
you know, in the counseling

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field, I, you know, I didn't
really feel good about that.

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We, it was more and more
paperwork that we weren't

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getting paid for.
So, you know, money's going

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down, work's going up.
And there's just a lot like

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quotas in counseling.
I don't know, that just gets me.

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But so, so I was already kind of
struggling with that.

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I was working with a supervisor
and we were talking about me

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starting my own practice, which
I really wanted to do, but I was

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super frightened about that
because, you know, there's some

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stability working for a company
even if you don't like it.

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I liked it, but I also struggle.
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So it was kind of a little bit
of both of, of enjoying it, but

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also struggling with some of the
procedures and stuff.

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And yeah, so I had a surgical
procedure in one part of that,

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and I had to take.
The doctor told me I need to

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take six weeks off.
I did decide to go back about

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four weeks and try to work.
It was, it was not good because

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I wasn't really feeling well,
but I tried anyway because what

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I found out was they're still
counting my quota against me

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even though I was wasn't able to
work.

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And so about a month or so after
I got back, I got written up for

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not meeting my quota.
Wow.

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I'm thinking, what?
Yeah, yeah.

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So there's some other people
that didn't like that either.

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But like, that was that was the
rules.

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It didn't matter why I didn't
meet it.

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It just I didn't meet it.
So that kind of, you know, I was

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like, OK, I really need to make
the move and go to a private

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practice for sure.
I wanted to ease into that

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because you can kind of do that
and still have a job.

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And so I was like, OK, I'm going
to go grab a practice.

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I've been praying about that a
lot and had the name, created a

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website, had the whole thing and
it had some avenues to have a

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space and did it all the deal.
However, I was still very

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afraid.
And so when I quit my job, well,

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I didn't quit until I applied
for another job and thought, oh,

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this one sounds good.
They were just starting this

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program to have a counselor in a
new place, a recovery part of

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this new area that they've been
taking over here.

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And I was like, OK, that sounds
interesting.

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I applied, went through the
interview, it was really good.

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However, when I left the
interview, I really felt like

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God was saying, don't take that
job.

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And I mean, I, I've heard that
and I decided when they called

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back and offered that I, yeah, I
took a minute, but I still

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accepted the job mainly out of
fear because starting a private

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practice and not having any
clients, like I can't just not

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have money.
So right, God, I'm sure that I

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don't know why you'd say no to
that.

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So anyway, I and you know, it's
a it's a weird thing because I

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haven't really heard God a lot
in my life say don't do that

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necessarily unless it's like
sinful, but not like at a job

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sort of thing.
And, and I, but I have been very

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clear when he is saying do that.
And here's kind of when I took

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the job, I didn't feel like bad
or guilty or anything like that

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for that because I almost felt
like that God said you can do

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that, but I'm just saying that's
not really going to be helpful.

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So it was kind of like a don't
do it, but you're, you're OK.

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Like he's not going to leave me,
obviously.

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So it was kind of this weird
conundrum of black.

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So but anyway, I went ahead and
took it.

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And I am telling you from the
especially since it was a new

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position, it was a it's just
anything you could imagine going

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wrong was going wrong.
I learned so much from that job.

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But I mean from being in an
office with no, with no air

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conditioning and it was July and
August in Arkansas, it's very

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hot.
I was in a section of the

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building all by myself.
I had no air.

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And I on my clock thing, I
actually had the temp and I

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would send pictures to my
husband of like, look how hot it

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is in my office and I'm supposed
to bring clients in here.

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And I'm like sweating like.
Yeah, and they're supposed to be

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comfortable and relaxed right
enough to communicate what's

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what's in their heart or?
Mind yeah, so and it was like

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and then trying to just get
people and it was just a whole

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everything and then I had to
work a lot without getting paid

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like the major majority of my
work I did not get paid for.

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And then if you didn't file
something exactly right then all

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your stuff was just gone.
You didn't get paid for it.

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It was I mean, I can't even
begin to tell you all the

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things.
It was always like a different

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story every day and I was
driving about 35 minutes there

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every day and it just wasn't
worth the money.

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So I was I said OK after all the
prayer and like oh God, I'm

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sorry I didn't listen.
Like I decided to quit and just

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do full time private practice
even though I didn't have any

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client.
Well, I've had probably a couple

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at that point, but not enough to
pay the bills and put food on

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the table.
Thank goodness my children were

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grown.
So I quit the job and just did

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private practice and it was
about a week or two later.

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I mean, it wasn't long at all.
Like it was so, and, and this

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will kind of ruin the question,
but to me it was so God, I, it

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was obvious.
Like this was the time that I

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knew God said this is for you.
And I knew it too in my soul

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because it fit.
But I got an e-mail from

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somebody from a local
university.

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They just had a campus on site
and they asked me, would you

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mind applying to teach at our
university?

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And they had it kind of set up
where you were working nights

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like for four to six weeks, I
can't remember now, but and you

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go in for like 3 or 4 hours a
night.

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It was really doable.
Like it wasn't anything

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overwhelming.
I had to prepare for the

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classes, but teaching has always
been like I had.

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I love it.
And to think that, you know,

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someone's going to e-mail me.
I mean, we get a lot of emails

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in life and in our inbox and
half of them are bogus.

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You're.
More than that, but, and so I,

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so it was took a, it took a long
process to kind of work through

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the interview process because
you've kind of got to do all

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this stuff and, you know,
practice or teach in a

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presenting way and all this.
It was a whole process.

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So it probably took about three
or four months to actually get

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hired.
But yeah, it was quite the

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process.
But that ended up being such the

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biggest blessing.
I thought this is this is like

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perfect if you're trying to
merge into private practice,

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doing a not a full time
university position, but like a

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part time thing where you can
just do it.

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You make enough money to pay all
the bills.

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And I got to do it like I really
love doing because I could be

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encouraging, I could teach, I
could just talk about, you know,

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psychology and it, it was, it
was wonderful.

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And I was able to keep that
position for a very long time

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until they closed the campus.
But for many years, and it was

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such a blessing until my private
practice got full enough and I

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was able to cause normally
getting on insurance panels and

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stuff will kind of fill your
practice up.

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And at that point I wasn't able
to do that yet.

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So it takes about three years to
get like that.

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So anyway, so it was three years
of trusting the Lord.

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But, you know, take just
relishing and being grateful for

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the opportunity that he
presented, that maybe he would

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have presented way back if I'd
have been obedient.

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The great part of this story
though, even though that was a

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miserable little job, I learned
so much that I still use today

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about the people in that place
that was needing care.

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I learned so much that I still
use today and still apply and I

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thought this is just God's
Scripture coming to life of that

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he uses all things for good,
even our willing to be

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disobedient, you know, and that
he can still use it for good

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that I I learned so much and
that I use my counsel and

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practice.
So it was really a blessing

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that, you know, God is so
merciful that he'll even use

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our, our our dumbness to bless
us later.

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So I'm thankful for that.
One thing I have learned through

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that whole process is that being
in private practice and and

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working for yourself, and it
probably doesn't matter in what

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area of life that's in.
There really is a lot of trust

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you have to do and God, if my
clients, if it slows down, well,

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God's taught me over the years
to not worry about that, to

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enjoy it and to not like you
don't have to drum up business.

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Haley, I've got you like and
then maybe he doesn't tell that

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to everybody, but that's what I
really feel on my heart that I

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don't have to do.
I don't have to mark it like

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it's just, it's OK.
So just trust me, the brakes are

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for you.
And when it's busy, that's for

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you too.
So it's been a neat process

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through that journey.
So it's almost like, again, that

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Scripture coming to life, that
God's going to use it all for

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good because that's what he did.
He taught me through that too,

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that I've got you like you're,
you're not going to starve,

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you're not going to be homeless.
You're going to be OK.

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Yeah, and just to use those
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like those were, I'm sure.
Well, you got I should, I should

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ask this.
To what degree were those baked

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into the fear sandwich that
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back then?
Yeah, this is what I think when

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we worry, this is that's always
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If we just let them go down the
track, that's what we're going

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to.
We're going to be without a home

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and we're going to not be able
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we need.
But that is very rarely the case

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for most people.
Like that's probably for some,

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but for the most of us, like we,
we can't let our worries like go

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down that rabbit trail because
that's where it's going to end

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up.
That's always tease clients in

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the thing of like that's where
are, are you under a bridge

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somewhere?
That's kind of where if you just

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let it go, that's where we're
going to end up.

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Yeah, yeah.
So.

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Yeah, it's an interesting point
that.

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We tend to be.
We tend to let our imaginations,

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our worry, worry filled
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and life tends to prove that not
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grace and mercy.
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So let's do a little bit of
recapping here because there's

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there's a lot of really neat
stuff in this story as far as

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I'm concerned.
OK, so you're working at the

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counseling agency and things
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So you've been there for many
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in.
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that would be a little weird.
Doesn't exactly seem like the

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the right space for the quotas,
you know what I mean?

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But anyway, so things change and
you're at a point where you're

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like, maybe this makes sense for
me to shift into private

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practice.
And you felt as if you had good

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and clear communication from God
to do that and to not take a

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job.
And you took the job.

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The job turns out to be
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Challenging.
Yeah, incredibly challenging for

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many different reasons.
And then eventually when you

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gave up on that job, AKA quit,
but I'm using the gave up on it

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and I need you to check me on
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Stepped in faith into I'm going
to trust God and just focus on

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private practice.
Less than two weeks later, he

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gives you practically a dream
job, like kind of how you

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described it, right?
That was the bridge into full

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book of business over multiple
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Do I have this correct Healy?
Yes, that is correct.

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I don't come looking out great
in this story, but.

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No, no, no, that's not it.
This is.

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Yeah, that's the point, right.
I mean, like, it's just neat to

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do some of the recaps because we
hear the wonderful details in

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what you describe, you know,
like sending photos to your

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husband of the thermostat.
Like, look at how hot it is in

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this room.
You know what I mean?

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But I think it's also good for
us sometimes to zoom back out

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and say, man, when I look at
this, when I see the forest from

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the trees and this story, it's
like, wow, like 2 weeks, 2

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weeks.
Yeah, I don't even know if it

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was that long, but.
OK, even even better, right?

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I mean like.
You could say 1:00 to 2:00.

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Weeks so I I went to the two,
you know, yeah.

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So let's come back here and
explore more of how God

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communicated to you.
When he told you don't take the

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job and then probably a little
bit later when he's explaining

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if you do, it's not exactly sin,
but I don't know that this is

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going to go the way you want to
go or something along those

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lines, right.
Point being, how have you 'cause

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I asked this of many folks that
that talk about.

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I heard from God and absolutely
believe that you did, but help

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us understand how.
Yeah, now I have like sometimes

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I will, I mean, not, you know,
outside, but like in like really

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clear, like Haley and then
whatever he's saying.

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Like when I rededicated my life,
that was one of those moments

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when at this time it was just
more of a spirit felt thing like

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Paul describes.
It felt good to the spirit and

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to me, like that's kind of how
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So I can't say that I heard, but
that's kind of the wording that

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I felt like just.
And that's why sometimes when I

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even look back and I haven't
told this story, like I think at

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all, like my husband knows, but
I don't know that many people

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know it.
But because God used it so much

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for good, not in the moment, but
so much after that I even

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struggle for a time like was
that was it kind of meant for me

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to do that?
Like did God want me to do that

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even though I felt clearly that
he was saying no like after for

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the interview, but I couldn't
like really figure out why.

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Like why wouldn't you want me
to?

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I mean, because so and just my
own fear of like wanting a that

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cushion, which God was going to
provide the cushion.

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I just didn't know how, which is
always the case with God.

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So that's kind of how that was
really more spirit felt, which

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I'm not a big follow emotion
person at all, but I don't know

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how I can really describe it
because I've heard the clear

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like, you know, Healy and then
the question, but that was more

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of a Nope, don't I?
One other time I felt like that

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when I was single and I'd
accepted a date and God said no

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after I'd already accepted and
it was so embarrassing to come

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back and go cancel.
No, I don't want to tell you why

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so.
God of the universe is like, I

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can't go on this.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah, believer and non believer.
That one's like, you know,

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jagged little pill to swallow on
the other end.

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Yeah, and that was really, I
stopped dating because that's

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what I felt like God was saying
to me is no dating.

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It's a whole nother story.
But I had a young son and I just

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felt like God said don't, don't
date, focus on him and raise

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him.
And that's what I that's what I

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did.
I was obedient in that one.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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OK.
So I did learn that was actually

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before.
Yeah, right.

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No, I yeah, I got that one
chronologically.

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It was before, like you said,
but I feel like you gave us a

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cliffhanger, Healy.
So you were obedient there.

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You didn't date.
You have to give us the

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punchline.
How does that one end?

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Well, and this is another thing
like I there was a time that my

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son was about 15 and I felt like
he said it's OK today.

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And I did.
I was 40 at that time, or maybe

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39.
I think I was 40.

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And yeah, because I think we, my
husband always has to remind me

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of the just 'cause I never
remember.

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But so it's about 40 something
and I met my husband and got

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married.
We must have been 41 by then.

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So, yeah, so it did not long.
After that it sounds like.

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No, Well, we were both in our
40s, So what?

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What way?
Right, but I mean, it wasn't

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wasn't that doesn't sound like
it was that long after God kind

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of gives you the green light on
dating that you meet your

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husband.
Yeah, that's right.

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It was probably about a year or
something.

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Yeah, OK, not not as fast as two
weeks.

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I don't think I'd have to go
back and look at.

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That I'm shuffling though,
because it still does seem

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pretty fast.
You know what I mean?

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Like still does seem pretty fast
when he's like, hey now I want

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you to go do this thing.
Yeah, more like it's OK too.

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Now your son is older and I can
see as a counselor now why that

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was the best.
Like at that time I struggled a

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lot with being single just
because I was at the age you

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should already be married and
all that.

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And so that was a whole journey
in and of itself that again,

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learning to trust God.
This is, I'm convinced this is a

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theme in everybody's life, but I
see it really clearly through

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lots of things that you part of
our faith is trusting God.

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We have to trust him in all
things, all areas of thought,

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even if we don't understand that
we have to always be walking

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like we trust him and that is
obedience.

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If we we can say we trust him,
but are we doing the things that

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show we trust him?
And you can see sometimes I did

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trust him and things and then
like the private practice thing.

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I didn't.
That's that's sad to say, but.

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It's authentic.
God doesn't leave me.

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It doesn't matter if I have a,
you know, a lapse in, you know,

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my fear took over, but he's,
he's still with us.

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And that's why I encourage
clients all the time.

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Don't worry if you make a wrong
decision.

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If you're really seeking the
Lord and trying to make the

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right decision, that's great and
he's definitely going to be with

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you.
But if you do like what I did

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and just willingly choose the
wrong thing, he, he's not going

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to leave you.
He's still going to be there

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walking beside you and maybe
giggling a little when you're

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sitting in the hot office that.
Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.
In my life, I've experienced

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similar to what you're
describing and if I had to put

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it on a bumper sticker, it would
kind of be that blessing has

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followed obedience and not
necessarily a dollars and cents

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type of blessing.
You know what I mean?

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But just in general, blessing
has followed obedience.

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Not the reason why I try to be
obedient, but has historically

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worked out that way, you know,
so I want to come back here to

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what you were talking about of
that, that spirit filled kind of

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hearing because I don't want to
put words in your mouth, but I

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think what you were describing
was a knowing and I want to kind

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of gauge that for you.
And, and what I also hear from a

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lot of folks, and what I've
experienced myself is I have a

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really good idea that it's the
Holy Spirit communicating to me

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when it's most of the time
counter to what I actually want

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to do.
You know, like kind of yeah, OK,

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yeah.
So for those of you that are not

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watching but that are listening,
she just pointed her finger

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like, yeah, that was it.
So yeah, it's like, it's just

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amazing.
And man, I just had that

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recently.
So I mean among like millions of

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different times, but.
Yeah.

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Well, that's not morally that.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Well, I was going to say that is
normally when it's something

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that you really don't want to
do.

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Now, we never want to go
contrary to Scripture or

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anything like that.
But if that is normally a good,

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a good way to know, it's like,
you know, once you walk over

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there and pray for that person,
like, are we naturally that

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that's not our flesh saying that
that's definitely the Holy

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Spirit so.
Yeah, man.

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Agreed, agreed.
Well, we've got the

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communication from God as you
described.

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I'm using your words here,
right.

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We've got things like a full
book of business over a handful

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of years and preceding that of
course is essentially the dream

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teaching job when you step out
in faith.

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So when we think of things like
the dream teaching job or we

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think of the communication from
the Holy Spirit of I wouldn't

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take this job kind of thing,
coincidence, healing or God.

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Well, I knew.
Well, once I knew, once I

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followed up on the e-mail and
realized, you know, this is the

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actual person from the local
area, I knew that was God right

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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,640
away.
There's no coincidence at all.

445
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Now, there might be coincidences
in this world, but for

446
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Christians, we can see clearly
the writing on the wall that is

447
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,200
God all the way.
So faithful.

448
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,400
So faithful.
He is, despite the fact that we

449
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,960
we aren't like he is, you know,
So, yeah, so good.

450
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,800
Thank you for answering that.
How has your life changed as a

451
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,640
result of everything that you've
shared?

452
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Well, I have learned, especially
in my business to trust God with

453
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,880
it.
And it's not to say I've never

454
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,400
felt anxious when, you know, the
numbers have been low for a

455
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,080
couple weeks or something.
I'm like, I got pills today, you

456
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:24,160
know, but if I, if I just even
start to pray, God reassures me.

457
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,080
And sometimes I'll just even get
a bunch of new referrals, like

458
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,520
right away, like, or all the old
ones will come back or something

459
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280
will just fill up my calendar is
kind of crazy.

460
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640
God is so faithful in my
practice.

461
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,520
I, I don't see that.
Like, so he's faithful in all

462
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,760
areas of my life that, that
it's, it's almost crazy how

463
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160
faithful he is in that.
And I can see sometimes, you

464
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,920
know, when it's low, like I
needed it and then when it's

465
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,920
busy, I needed that too.
And I, I could, I could share a

466
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,240
million stories, maybe not a
million, but a whole bunch of

467
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,640
just like needing and God
providing.

468
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:17,120
I mean, and so close together
this it's, I mean, we serve such

469
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,200
a faithful, loving, merciful
God.

470
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,160
I didn't deserve a second chance
on that.

471
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,680
I mean, but God loves me so much
like we would give our children,

472
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,200
you know, like, OK, you learned
the hard way.

473
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Yes, I do that a lot in life.
But God's so faithful and so

474
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,040
loves us so much that he's
willing to go.

475
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,600
Yeah.
OK, welcome back.

476
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,680
And now we can get on with the
plan.

477
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,520
So I'm I'm so thankful for God
and just His faithfulness

478
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,840
throughout my life.
He has continued to show me time

479
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,760
and time again, He's got this,
He's got me, and I please Him

480
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:07,640
when I trust Him.
I please him when I trust him.

481
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Yeah, I think.
I think James even says that.

482
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,040
No, I think it's in Hebrews.
Maybe without faith, it's

483
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,640
impossible to please God.
And as you described earlier,

484
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,760
right, the trust is to some
degree The Walking out of our

485
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,200
faith.
So really, really neat point

486
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,880
there.
Tell us a little bit about the

487
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320
podcast.
Tell us about the book.

488
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,120
Tell us about all of that neat
work that you're doing.

489
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,520
Well, my podcast is called
Healthy and Redeemed and it is a

490
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,440
podcast to help Christians grow
spiritually and emotionally.

491
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,760
And so I do a blend of mental
health and maybe some Bible

492
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
study.
And let's see, my book is called

493
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Changing Your Feelings and it's
a workshop.

494
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,320
It's a workbook for anxiety and
worry and, and through it, I

495
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,360
just walk people in the workbook
like I walk people in

496
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,960
counseling.
So it's kind of set up the same

497
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280
way how I work through different
things with them.

498
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:22,000
And then they just complete it,
you know, the questions or the

499
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,600
exercises.
And I hope by the end that their

500
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,240
anxiety and worry is gone.
And it's written from a

501
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Christian perspective.
I use cognitive behavioral

502
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,120
therapy and then biblical
attributes and for concepts and

503
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,680
then blend that together.
You know, cognitive behavioral

504
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,360
therapy is all over the Bible,
so I'm just putting it in a book

505
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,240
and putting it out there.
So anyway, I've got good

506
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
feedback on it from counselors
and from people that have gone

507
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,640
through it.
So I'm feeling pretty confident.

508
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,880
If somebody picks it up and
pushes through it, they can they

509
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
can manage anxiety and worry
better.

510
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Yeah.
Praise God, change feelings like

511
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,600
that.
Where can folks find the book or

512
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,840
more about you?
Well, I have a website

513
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,120
calledbritainbyhealey.com and
there I mean, I have a lot of

514
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,600
stuff there makes so like I have
from if you're a Christian, if

515
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,239
you're a Christian and want to,
you know, start reading the

516
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Bible more, which is the big
thing that I push.

517
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:37,080
That's probably the AKA my
tagline that it's go read your

518
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Bible every day all the way
through.

519
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,440
And and so I've got some Bible
resources of some plans people

520
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,239
can get into like some videos of
why to read the Bible.

521
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,639
They're not from me, they're
from other, you know, more

522
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,199
established folks.
And then I've got a page of free

523
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,880
resources that are mental health
resources and some Christian

524
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,880
resources of scripture and stuff
like that for different

525
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,080
situations.
And so that's all on there.

526
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,240
You can see all my books that
are there.

527
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,040
I've got a couple children's
books also.

528
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,280
So that's all there.
So yeah, they can get almost

529
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,760
everything there, but you can
get my Changing Your Feelings

530
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,880
book online.
Most, I mean most anywhere in

531
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
books are sold.
That sounds taggy, but that's

532
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,080
true.
And we'll make sure to link to

533
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,960
all of that as well in the
notes.

534
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,480
But yeah, super neat.
OK, before we let you go

535
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:39,280
healing, you hit on something
that is super important to me

536
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,000
also.
And for those that are listening

537
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,200
to this, neither of us knew
this.

538
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,560
So tell me more about the you
got to read your Bible all the

539
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,040
way through because I talk about
that all the time.

540
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,040
And I'm like totally delighted
to hear that.

541
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,640
You're like, yeah, that's what I
do too.

542
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,840
So tell us about that.
And let's start with, let's

543
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,040
start with why it's so important
to you.

544
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,840
And then maybe you can tell us
about your approach or different

545
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,840
approaches or something along
those lines.

546
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,920
OK, I'll try to give the really
abbreviated version because

547
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,840
we'll we, they and and I get
really OK.

548
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,320
So I grew up, I gave my life to
the Lord like at a very young

549
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,800
age, had some hard things happen
in my life and I kind of turned

550
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:35,160
to the world to cope with them.
When I was in the army and I was

551
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,480
in a Bible study studying
Romans, we got to the verse that

552
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,640
said do not be conformed to the
patterns of this world, but be

553
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,400
transformed by the renewing of
your mind.

554
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,880
And this is one of those
moments.

555
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,040
God said Haley, you need to
choose what path you're on mind

556
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,760
of the world's and I'm like, I'm
in here a Bible study, like of

557
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,760
course, I'm one here as God and
he just showed me like all the

558
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,640
areas that I had fallen short
that I really did look like the

559
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,880
world.
My talk may have been good, but

560
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,240
well, not even my talk.
I was cussing a lot.

561
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,920
I mean, I was like a worldly
Christian.

562
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Maybe I don't know.
But when I went back to examine.

563
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:20,000
So I rededicated my life and
just went full on and started

564
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,480
getting into the word.
And when I really looked back

565
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,640
and like what went wrong?
Like why?

566
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,760
I mean I love God, I felt like I
loved him that whole time and

567
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:35,120
felt like I was following him.
But why was because I did not

568
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,320
have the foundation of the
Christian faith and that is

569
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,760
God's word.
I knew the Bible stories from

570
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Sunday school but I didn't have
anything else to anchor in on.

571
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,360
So when the world came along and
offered these solutions, I don't

572
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,360
know any better.
So let me just do that.

573
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,040
And so I began studying the
Bible and reading the Bible and

574
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,960
reading the Bible all the way
through.

575
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,720
Oh my gosh, there's Jesus all
the way through the Bible.

576
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Look at all.
Look how merciful God is in the

577
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Old Testament.
Like I was just mind blown time

578
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,800
after time.
I still read the Bible every

579
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,440
year through and I'm still
amazed at his compassion.

580
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,600
I'm still amazed how much he
loves us.

581
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,680
And that is consistent from
Genesis 1 all the way to

582
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,800
Revelation like God and.
In your life.

583
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:40,640
Yeah, yeah, I so, so I just
look, I believe that we can all

584
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,960
a lot of these things that we
struggle with if we would read

585
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,080
the Bible and walk that stuff
out.

586
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,720
Your life is going to change.
You're not going to be the same

587
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,120
and it's going to be for the
better.

588
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Even if you have the trials that
come in life, it's still going

589
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,920
to be better because you have a
foundation.

590
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,560
You're not in sinking sand, so
to speak.

591
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,640
So that's where my passion comes
from because I think my life

592
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,040
could have been, I'm thankful
that God just followed me all

593
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,720
the way through.
But like, at the same time I

594
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,120
wish I would have studied the
Bible at a much younger age, but

595
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,400
I'm still thankful.
Yeah, wow.

596
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,560
Thanks for sharing that.
Well, can you share unless

597
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,520
you've done it on a previous
podcast, like what gives you

598
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,320
your passion for people reading
the Bible through well.

599
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Thank, thanks for asking.
So for me I had this imagined

600
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,360
conversation with an atheist and
it went like this.

601
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,120
So this would be the atheist
speaking.

602
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:58,880
So you mean to tell me that you
put your entire life philosophy

603
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,400
and the way you handle yourself
and the way you make decisions

604
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,360
and all this stuff into this
religion called Christianity.

605
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,040
And the religion has a book and
you're staking your entire life

606
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,120
and what you say is eternity on
this religion, and you haven't

607
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,800
read the book.
And I was like.

608
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:31,440
No.
Bred the highlights of it like

609
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,680
the OH.
My God.

610
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,600
And I was like, well, listen,
like this is OK.

611
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,720
So now I'm like, now I'm doing
some self talk.

612
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:46,920
I'm like, OK, I am an adult so I
can make an adult decision here.

613
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,240
And I see that there's a gap, so
I can close that gap.

614
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,760
I'm like, I can just read the
Bible.

615
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,920
So what I did was I was like,
OK, I'm going to read the Bible

616
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,880
every single today that the good
Lord gives me.

617
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,800
And I say it that way because
that's how the decision was

618
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,120
made.
I never set a goal.

619
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,040
I just decided if I've got a
today, I'm going to read a

620
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,360
chapter.
OK, most days I read more than a

621
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,120
chapter, but my decision as an
adult was I'm going to read a

622
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,680
chapter and I decided first
time, or like when I started, I

623
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,400
decided I'm going to start in
Matthew because I want to get

624
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,160
right to what Jesus said.
OK, so I did that and then when

625
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,080
I got to the end of Revelation,
I just had built enough of a, we

626
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,200
can call it a habit, I mean,
because that's really what it

627
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,240
is, but I never set out to build
a habit.

628
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,080
It was all just based on I have
it today, I'm reading Scripture,

629
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,400
right?
So I then started the Genesis

630
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,400
and worked all the way through
the OT and then back through

631
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,320
Matthew and beyond for the New
Testament.

632
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,600
And there's just been literally
rolling through, rolling

633
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,520
through, rolling through, right.
I just finished First

634
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,200
Thessalonians this morning.
Just read all of that because

635
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,320
it's like 25 minutes.
If you just sit there and read

636
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,920
the whole thing, it's not that
big of a deal.

637
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,880
But I want to come back to a
point that you made.

638
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,920
You talked about how merciful
God is in the Old Testament.

639
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,360
And it was reading the Old
Testament Healy where I Saul

640
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,120
slash began to understand slash
the Holy Spirit like began to

641
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,040
reveal to me, like reveal
revelation with a little R God's

642
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
mercy, just like you, what you
were talking about.

643
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,640
And and what he then showed me
was his character.

644
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,080
And so I fell in love with the
OT and I call it the OT, the Old

645
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Testament for those out there,
right?

646
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,120
I'm literally like, I'm like, I
love it.

647
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,160
I'm totally the OT.
Like I totally love the OT.

648
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,320
It's so cool because yeah,
because there's crazy stuff in

649
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,840
there, like Numbers chapter 15.
People have never heard of the

650
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Kora clan getting swallowed up
by the ground.

651
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,240
OK, And if you haven't, look it
up.

652
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,120
It's Numbers chapter 15.
And literally you will not

653
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,080
believe that that is in the
Bible because you've never seen

654
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,160
it.
And my encouragement is read it

655
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,560
for yourself and then you'll be
like, oh wow, it's actually in

656
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,320
there.
But my point is, is that he

657
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,160
showed me his character.
I fell in love with the Old

658
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Testament, certainly love the
New Testament.

659
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,000
And so it's just been on a daily
basis.

660
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,240
And then the one other thing
that I do is I underline verses

661
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:42,520
that have an impact on me.
And the reason I'm saying that

662
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,600
out loud is because, you know,
lots of people probably do that,

663
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:52,000
but it's, it's been really
encouraging or in a way almost

664
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,240
like re encouraging that.
If like someone says to me, OK,

665
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,160
we'll check out, I'm just going
to make this up.

666
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:04,800
OK, check out Deuteronomy 29.
I'll go to Deuteronomy 29.

667
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,960
And like there's underlines.
And the reason I say that, it's

668
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like, oh, and I've been here now
I know because I've read through

669
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the Bible multiple times that
I've been in all of those

670
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places.
But it's another thing where

671
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it's like, it's almost like
carving your initials in the

672
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tree.
I'm not a, I'm not a fan of

673
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,080
that, you know what I mean?
But it's like, I've been here,

674
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,720
I've been here long enough to
underline this because I was

675
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,720
paying attention enough to that,
you know what I mean?

676
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And so that's part of why I've
also underlined verses as I've

677
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,640
read them that have had an
impact on me when I'm reading

678
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them, you know, and then
occasionally usually like I get

679
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around another time and I'm
like, how did I not underline

680
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,480
that?
You know what I mean?

681
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Like it's some burst.
It's just like, it's total

682
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totally sticking out to you, you
know what I mean?

683
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And you're like, how was that
not previously underlined?

684
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,440
Like that is so money right
there, you know, so, and, and so

685
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,120
I'm, I'm really grateful that
you asked actually that question

686
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:08,080
because what's so neat to me is
how we are both impassioned

687
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,840
about reading Scripture to the
point that we tell other people

688
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,400
to do that.
And the, pardon the pun, the

689
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,520
genesis of each of our
impassions.

690
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OK, it's markedly different, you
know, like God was like, which

691
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one for you?
And then he gave me, in my

692
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,640
opinion, gave me the imagination
to have this imaginary

693
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,240
conversation with the atheist,
you know?

694
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That's that's so that's so.
And we're coming at the.

695
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,800
Same day, because that's
convicting, yeah.

696
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,880
It certainly was to me.
I was like, how do I?

697
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:52,600
It's like, yeah, this is how bad
this is how that's how bad I

698
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,000
was.
I was like, OK, I'll read the

699
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,560
red words because that's what
Jesus said.

700
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And so I just, I knew a few of
the old stories and then I had

701
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,840
the red words, red words of
Jesus, you know then.

702
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,120
So for those that may not know,
but good call.

703
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,360
I mean, that's how it's like.
So I mean that my thinking was

704
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,480
that way.
But I think because I think you

705
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,800
don't even understand like some
of what Jesus talks about if you

706
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,040
haven't read the Old Testament,
like you don't know the context

707
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,440
and how.
Yeah, it's just great.

708
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,120
It's the best book ever.
I was like, no human could have

709
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,920
put this together, people.
There there's a great scene

710
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,240
where Jesus says hear O Israel,
the Lord your God is 1.

711
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Jesus is saying this.
OK, well, he's actually to your

712
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,280
point, he's quoting Deuteronomy
and I didn't like I came across

713
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,040
that in Deuteronomy and I was
like, I've heard that before.

714
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,480
I was like, no way.
Like, you know what I mean?

715
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,400
Like, but I'm like for sure that
like my original, you know,

716
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,480
initial thinking is like, well,
that's totally Jesus.

717
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,280
Like that's just, I mean, he's
God.

718
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,960
Like he gets to say that kind of
stuff.

719
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,960
And then to your point, it's
like, no, he's actually

720
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,480
referencing and or quoting dot
and you're like, dude, there's

721
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,240
amazing stuff back there, you
know so.

722
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, thanks for letting us both

723
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,400
climb up on our soapbox there,
that was quite fun.

724
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,800
That's exciting.
Yeah, Yeah.

725
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,440
For sure.
Well, it's listen, it's been an

726
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,000
absolute pleasure.
Thank you for telling us about

727
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,680
the children's books, the adult
book that's obviously kind of

728
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,160
more of a workbook, the podcast,
your website, all of that.

729
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,680
And then most importantly, thank
you for sharing a story, the

730
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,600
glorified the King.
We really appreciate having more

731
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Kelly.
It's been a pleasure.

732
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,920
Well, thank you so much for
having me on it.

733
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,000
I hope that somebody from your
listening audience, like if

734
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,400
nothing else goes to the Bible
after this episode, that would

735
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,120
be the ball.
There we go.

736
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,080
Praise God.
Well, thank you again.

737
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:07,160
We'll chat soon.
Was it coincidence or God?

738
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,400
You decide for yourself, but I
believe you just heard a story

739
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,360
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