Should’ve DIED 2x. Why is Shelby Still Alive? | Shelby | 009

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But I open my eyes and I'm like
flying through the air like

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Dukes of Hazzard style.
And of course, you know, that's

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how you wake up and you're just,
you know, you know, so I hit the

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brake like that's going to help.
And so I yeah, right.

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Just instinctive.
So I'm flying through the air.

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I hit the ground, I start
bouncing like the cars bouncing.

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Welcome to When You Look, where
ordinary people share their

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extraordinary experiences and
you get to decide, was it

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coincidence or God?
Shelby, welcome to When You

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Look.
Hey thanks for having me so.

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Appreciate it.
Really, really glad to have you

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here.
For sure, man.

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Great to have you on.
Tell us a little bit about

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yourself.
I'm a devout Christian.

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I'm a musician, you know, pretty
much my life revolves around

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those things primarily, you
know, God first and then music

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2nd and then, you know,
everything else kind of falls in

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after that.
Yeah.

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Tell us a little bit about your
nickname, though, because you're

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more than just a musician,
you're kind of a specific type

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of musician.
Yeah, I'm a drummer, and a

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friend of mine jokingly called
me Beatbox Brown many, many

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years ago.
Because Brown is, you know, is

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my last name.
So, so he, he would call me

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beatbox because of me being a
drummer.

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It's funny when I tell people
about it, you know, they asked

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me if I actually beatbox on my
mouth and I'm like, no, I'm a

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drummer.
So.

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Nice.
That's awesome.

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Well, great to have you here.
I know you've got a number of

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stories that sort of span across
your life, literally from time

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as a kid all the way up through
current day.

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So let's just start with you as
a kid and walk us through some

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of these stories.
Yeah, sure.

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When I look back on these, you
know, all the way going back to

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when I was a kid, you know,
God's hand in my life and my

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protection or his protection in
my life, you know, it does start

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back.
You know, when I was younger,

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first one, I was six years old
and I grew up in West Virginia

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and I lived in this house that
had a, had a door that had, you

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know, like a glass screen door,
if you will, instead of a

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screen.
And I was in my house.

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I was, it was summertime, so I
was playing in the kiddie pool.

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And so I came in the house and I
was all wet and my mom's like in

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the house, you know, you're
dripping wet.

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So I turn and I ran and when I
used to, I would run out the

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door, I would hit the handle and
the door would just bust open

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and I'd go out.
This time the door didn't open.

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So I went head 1st through the
middle pane of glass and I was

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over the glass a big chunk and
when I pulled myself back out,

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you know, I just thought I was
wet.

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I went in the house, my mom of
course ran up and was checking

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me out, making sure I was OK and
I and I felt something dripping

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down my arm.
And when I lifted my arm up, my

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whole arm just opened wide open.
Then every time my heart would

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pump blood would like shoot out
of my arm like a spigot, you

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know.
And of course I was like sick.

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So I panicked, you know, and my
mom was there, ran up and she

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grabbed my arm and kind of
wrapped it over and held it to

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stop the bleeding.
And they had to, my dad was at

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work.
They had to call instead of

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calling the ambulance, my dad
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So my mom called my dad.
They rushed me to the hospital.

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They get me in, a guy puts like
a dry gauze around my arm to

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stop the bleeding.
So they had to RIP that open

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again because it dried on my
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So that was more pain.
They put me on a Gurney.

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The whole Gurney was soaked in
blood, so much so that they had

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to pick me up and move me to
another Gurney because I was

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laying in my just a whole Gurney
of my own blood.

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They, they basically had me in
surgery for I don't even know

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how long.
It was long enough to stitch

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everything up.
They had to put the, you know,

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the, the artery and everything
back together took 186 stitches.

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The there was this awesome nurse
who was there the whole time

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because they had to, they had to
make my mom leave because when

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they tore the thing off my arm,
she like freaked out and grabbed

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the doctor and was like, you
know, and they're like, get her

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out of here.
So they, they made her leave.

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And so my mom and dad could stay
outside the door and watch what

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was happening, but they wouldn't
let her come in because, you

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know, she kind of was doing the
Mama bear thing, trying to

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protect.
So this nurse, every time I

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would turn my head to look to
the right, I'd see my arm just

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wide open and I'd freak out.
And so this nurse was so sweet.

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She was there the whole time
with me.

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You know, look this way.
Don't look over there.

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And so they got me all sewed up.
They let me, surprisingly, they

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let me go home the next day, but
I had my arm in a sling and they

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had to keep, I had to keep my
arm above heart level because

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the blood would flow down there
and the stitches would actually

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explode out of my arm.
So I had to have my arm held up

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even to sleep so that I could,
you know, rest.

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So yeah, I came very close to
bleeding to death.

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And, you know, it was, it was
pretty eventful.

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Again, there's more details in
there that, you know, like

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little details I could keep here
for another half hour with all

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the stuff, but that's kind of
the, the, the meat of the story,

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if you will.
Let's just do kind of a quick

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recap of that 'cause there was a
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A lot, yeah.
So you're 6, you're having fun

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playing in the pool, you come in
all wet, Mom says hey, hustle

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back outside and the next thing
you know you have gone straight

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through the glass in the door
head first and as you pulled

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yourself back out, your arm
either either got filleted on

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the way in or filleted.
On the way out.

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And it was quite perilous after
that.

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So 186 stitches later, yeah.
I mean, is there just any, is

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there anything else in that
story that that that kind of

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talks about how close it came to
being a even more of a

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catastrophe than it already?
Was well, it's it.

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It's funny because you know,
like if my mom wouldn't have

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been there, I would have bled
out and probably like 3 or 4

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minutes tops, you know, maybe
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I don't know because literally
every time my heart pumped,

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blood would shoot like halfway
across the room.

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It was like something out of a
movie.

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So wow, you know, mom being
right there, you know, and I've

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told people this my, you know,
when I tell this story, I always

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have, I've said Jesus and my mom
saved my life that day because

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you know, I as as a kid, you
know, my heart was pumping

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1,000,000 miles an hour because
I was panicking.

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Of course, you know, I would
have bled out fast.

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And just her, her being able to
keep her cool during that was

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just crazy.
You know, I mean, she's watching

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her son literally bleed to
death, you know, and my dad

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being able, he got us to the
hospital in like record time.

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It took like normally 45 minutes
to get the hospital and he got

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us there in like 15 or
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Which, and then just, you know,
the provision of being able to,

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to get everything lined up to
where they could do the surgery

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and they're able to repair the,
the artery and the whole bit,

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you know, without a hitch, which
is just, you know, again, I, I,

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I could have lost my arm.
I mean, they said not only, you

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know, could I have bled to
death, but I could have

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literally cut my arm off.
Another little side note with

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that too, the top pane and the
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the pain I ran through was
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They hadn't changed the real
glass over to plexiglass yet, so

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the doctor said that if it would
have been plexiglass it would

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have cut my arm off.
Well, it's praise God, man, you

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still got the two arms because
as a drummer, that goes a long

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way.
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, that's the thing
though, that that's the first

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story, you know, of when I was a
kid.

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Of course there's, there's many
others when I was a kid where

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like I look back and I'm like,
how am I even alive?

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You know?
I mean, it's by the grace of God

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that I am alive, you know, with
many instances, but that, that's

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a very big one, yeah.
Well, one of those other

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instances you mentioned was when
you had at one point those two

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arms that you still have and
even today you still have them,

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but they were on a steering
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So tell us, tell us that one.
Yeah, I, I was in a band in

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1990, 6 and 97.
And I used to have to drive

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about an hour to get to
rehearsals.

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So we would rehearse on
Saturdays and then at the time

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we were working on a, on an EP.
So we would, we would rehearse

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on Saturday evenings and then we
would drive from Virginia to

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Maryland to record all night in
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So and then I would drive back
to their place with the band and

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then I would leave from their
place to go back to my place to

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go to church on Sunday mornings
at my church.

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So we've been in the studio all
night, you know, just burning

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the candle at both ends as we
had rehearsed.

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And then we did the studio.
And so I get back to the band

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house.
It's probably about 6:00 in the

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morning, something like that.
And I took off to go home.

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So I'm driving, I'm driving
this, this giant green 1977

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Buick Skylark that the same
friend that that nicknamed me

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Beatbox Brown used to, he
nicknamed it Tank.

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So that's what we used to call
it because it's like a big green

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tank.
So I'm driving home.

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No it's it's like 6 in the
morning once I get off the major

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highway.
I had to get on to a basically a

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non major highway to get to my
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So no cars around nobody.
Again it's Sunday morning like

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6:00 in the morning.
So I'm I'm.

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You've been up all night,
correct?

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All, all the day before and then
all night, you know, recording,

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doing stuff in the studio.
So you know, I'm I'm exhausted.

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So I'm driving, not wearing my
seat belt as I should have been

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till when I rolling on, you
know, this is like late 90s.

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So you know, I'm, I'm I'm 18
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I'm like, whatever, I'm just
going to go.

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So I'm driving and the next
thing I know I'm out.

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So like, I remember hearing
myself like, you know, run off

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the road and it was just kind of
like, I could hear myself hit

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the gravel and it was just like
saying I heard was like this

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boom was like game.
And I opened my eyes and I'm

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like flying through the air like
Dukes of Hazzard style.

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And of course, you know, that's
how you wake up and you're just,

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you know, you know, so I hit the
brake like that's going to help.

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And so I hit, yeah, right.
Just instinctive.

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So I'm flying through the air.
I hit the ground.

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I start bouncing, like the cars
bouncing.

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You know, it's a miracle I
didn't just bounce the wrong way

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and just barrel roll on the
side.

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I come to a stop, you know, I'm,
I'm probably white as a ghost,

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you know, I'm like looking
around, white knuckling the

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steering wheel and there's
nobody, nobody's around.

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So I'm, you know, I kind of
compose myself a little bit and

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then I slowly pull out on the
road and I drive out, you know,

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But the, the thing that made
that, besides the fact that, you

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know, I mean, I fell asleep at
the wheel and I was probably

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doing about 70 miles an hour
when I hit the, the embankment.

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That was the only open spot the
whole way home for like miles

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and miles that I could have hit
that that gave me the

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opportunity to not slam head
onto into like a whole bunch of

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trees or a gas station or a
house, you know.

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I mean, it was the only open
spot on that road that I can

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remember that was really a long
open spot and right beyond it

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was a gas station.
So I hit in the right spot

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basically in order to be able to
survive, you know, because if I

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would have gone over before, I
mean, at the least I would hit a

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guardrail which could have
ricocheted me out into who knows

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where.
And there were other spots too

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where I would have like flown
down into a hole like gully of

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trees, you know, or an actual
gas station.

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I would have hit a gas station
or a house because there were

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houses lining the road too.
So that was that was intense.

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So you know I'm.
Sure.

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Say the least, right?
Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

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So what did the car land in then
when you touched down?

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I was still like at the
embankment.

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The road was here in the
embankment kind of went up.

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It was like a grassy hill.
And when I hit the hill, I hit

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it at a sideways angle.
And when I was landing and I was

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bouncing kind of off the hill
and the side of the road.

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So it was still that long
stretch of that that I landed

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on, you know, pretty much the
the only clearing that I can

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think of where there was nothing
there and the only thing that

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happened is I got a little dent
in the back of the car.

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So the car's airborne, you land
with multiple bounces and you're

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OK despite not having a seat
belt on, and the car ends up

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with a dent like it sounds like
a small dent in the back.

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Is that what I'm hearing?
Yeah, it was a dent back by the

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rear wheel.
Wow.

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Yes, Wow.
Crazy.

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So, you know, now when I'm
driving, if I even get slightly

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tired, I got the windows down, I
got the radio on, whatever I got

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to do, I'm super aware of it
because, you know, I survived

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that once and don't want it to
ever happen again.

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Yeah, it sounds like that one
left a mark.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, and The thing is, The

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funny thing is, you know, I
mean, it's like, again, it's

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just another provision of God
keeping me alive.

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You know, I, I, I've said that
many times.

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He must have a purpose for me in
in certain areas because I've

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dodged death a bunch of times.
You know, there's other stories

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I can keep you here with, which
is crazy, but that we'll have

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you.
We'll have you back on at some

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point.
Glad to do that.

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Tell us a little bit more about
some of some of the other

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stories that have happened later
in life.

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There was a story that happened
where again, just, you know,

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needing God's provision, you
know, financially, I was in a

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spot where I just, you know, I,
I paid kind of all my monthly

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bills and, you know, was really
just kind of at the, at the end

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of what I had.
And I was trying to figure out

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like, you know, what am I going
to do here?

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You know, I, I'm, I'm kind of in
a bind.

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And so I'm sure I prayed like,
you know, Lord, get me through

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or something like that, you
know, and I went out randomly to

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check the mail and I got a, got
a letter from a bank that I used

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to bank with.
And I guess their system had

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been hacked like years before.
Like I totally even forgot.

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I'm like, hey, bank with these
people.

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I totally forgot about it.
So I open this letter and I read

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this, this heading that says,
you know, we're sending out

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reimbursement checks for
people's information that may

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have been hacked.
And it was a, a $250 check.

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It was just random.
Just, it had no clue that it was

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going to be there.
I, I just, like I said, I think

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I might even forgotten that I
had banked with this bank

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because it was so many years
before.

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And you know, it was almost 10
years, something like that.

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And there was a $250 check just
randomly plopped into my mail.

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You know that more than provided
what I needed to get through

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till my next payday.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Speak a little bit more maybe
about the significance of that,

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because it sounds like you were
very close to the end of dollars

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and that 250 mattered quite a
bit, but you tell us.

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Yeah, yeah.
It was like I was, I was very

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much near the end of what
finances I had to last me at the

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moment.
And I was, I didn't know what I

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was going to do for basic gas
money to get back and forth

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where I needed to get to the
course of that week.

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So yeah, I, I would have really,
I, I would have had to try to

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borrow it from somebody or just
something of that nature.

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But, you know, there's no
guarantees of that because, you

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know, times are tight.
People were hurting.

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And yeah, I mean, if more than
not only it, it gave me way more

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than what I needed to get to the
next payday.

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Because like I said, I wouldn't
have even had gas money, you

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know, because I had spent pretty
much all that I had at that

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point with bills.
It was a really tight week, you

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know, things like that.
So yeah, again, that's just God

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providing the money to survive,
you know, just to be able to get

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back and forth to work and, you
know, have money for food and

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things like that.
So, yeah, it's very, very

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important, you know, especially
coming out of the blue.

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You have no idea.
I mean, this is like 810 years

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in the making, you know, to get
to me.

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But it came right when I needed
it.

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Yeah, right when you needed it.
So tell us why you think that

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wasn't a coincidence.
Well, the timing, you know, I

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mean, that's a big, big thing
that God has shown me over and

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over again in my life is the
timing.

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You know, I'll, I'll have a need
and it's, and it's just, the

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timing is too perfect to be a
coincidence because, OK, I have

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a need right now.
And then the need is met within

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a day or even the same day or
within a couple of days.

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You know, it's it, it, I don't
believe in coincidence.

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I don't, you know, the timing is
too, too correct.

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You know what I mean?
So that I believe those kind of

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things are God, you know, so and
again, with with each story, you

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know, it's the timing of things,
you know, like going back to the

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first one, if if all the places,
all the pieces wouldn't have

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been in place with my mom being
there and you know, it's

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doctors, you know, being there
and everything.

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My dad being able to get me to
the hospital.

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I mean, the timing was perfect.
I would have died had it not all

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lined up.
So same thing with the the car.

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You know, if I would have hit
anywhere else on that road, I

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would have hit something solid,
which without a seat belt on

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probably meant going through the
windshield, you know, So the

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time, the timing of just that
right spot on the road is where

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I hit, you know, you know, if I
would have fallen asleep 10

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minutes earlier, you know, at
that the least I would have been

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mangled.
You know, I would have been dead

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for more than like So again,
it's I just see that it's God

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providing and guiding me, you
know, and, and just putting his

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hand on my life and saying, OK,
I'm going to lead you here.

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I'm going to lead you here, you
know, and I'm I'm going to

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provide and he does, you know,
so I try.

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That's big thing he's taught me
in my life is that when

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something happens, it seems like
it's bad in the moment.

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I try to take a step back before
allowing that to settle in and

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be like, Oh, this is terrible.
I try to, I try to remember the

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times that he's taking what
taken what looks like a bad

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situation and turned it around
and turned it into something

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really good, you know, So I, I
try to keep hold of it.

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And that's straight out of the
Bible.

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You know, if you look at, you
know, things that happened to

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biblical figures, you know, they
went through some pretty heavy

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stuff.
And then years later, it's like

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they could see, you know, I
think it was Joseph that said

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that, you know, to his brothers,
you know, you meant this for

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bad, but God turned it around
for good.

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You know, all the stuff he had
to go through.

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I'm sure in the moments he was
like, what is going on, you

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know?
But years later, he'd look back

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and could see, OK, that had to
happen.

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That had to happen.
And then God turned it all

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around for good.
So.

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Indeed.
For me.

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Yeah, right on.
Thanks for the explanation

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there.
While you were talking about

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timing being very important and
how timing for you is what makes

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things not a coincidence, and
then just recently timing has

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played a clear role in sort of
another brief story so close.

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Us out with this last one from.
Just just recently, sure.

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I was in a band that I was in
for three years, Kind of put my

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heart and soul into the band and
things just didn't work out.

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And I had been thinking about
leaving the band and.

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Even before I was thinking about
it, I was putting feelers.

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I was while I was thinking about
it, I was putting feelers out

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there and what not trying to see
what I should do and asking God,

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you know, lead me and please
tell me what I should do and

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ended up I felt like the Lord
told me, you know, like, OK,

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it's time for you to move on.
Just go ahead and do it.

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You know, even though there was
doubt, I was doing the right

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thing.
And during that time he was, I

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felt like he was telling me that
I had a friend of mine from

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another band reach out even
before, to the point where I, I

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even asked him after the fact.
I'm like, did you know I was

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looking for another band?
He reached out to me and was

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like, hey, we need a drummer.
And I'm like, OK, you know, how

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does he know this for sure?
So, oh, I'm like, well, he's

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like, but you're in a band and
I'm like, well, that might be

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changing.
So, you know, a week or so went

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by wasn't even confirmed.
It was about a week or two weeks

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went by and then, you know, I
ended up leaving the band, which

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I felt God told me to do.
And I even asked him, you know,

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after the fact because I went
down and met with the guys and

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you know, ended up joining with
them, which is great.

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But after the fact I was like,
did you know I was looking for a

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band?
And he was like, no, I just

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randomly reached out to you and
I had, this is a guy, he's a

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really cool guy.
I've known him for like 6 years.

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We jammed together like 6 years
ago, but the distance was too

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far for me to join the band
then.

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So now I live closer.
So it's doable, but the time

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again, it's like this guy didn't
even know I was looking for a

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band and he just randomly
reached out to me, you know?

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So again, it's like God going
ahead of me and laying the

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groundwork and preparing things.
And also just another quick

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thing, which I didn't, you know,
I hadn't mentioned, but there

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was a band that my old band used
to play shows with a lot.

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And I was wearing a, a shirt
that said Jesus is God with a

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cross on it at a show that we
played with them for another

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band.
And this guy saw my shirt and I

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didn't know he's a Christian.
So he sort of, you know, we

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became friends on Facebook and
he started liking my posts,

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which are a lot of them are
biblically based.

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And then one of the days where I
was thinking about like, you

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know, this guy's a Christian.
I'm a Christian.

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He plays guitar, I play bass.
This is the second band now that

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I'm, I've joined since I left my
other band.

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So basically 2 bands in one
week, which is insane.

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You know, I was able to to join
because you can go through some

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real Dr. periods trying to find
people.

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So I was, I shouldn't really
reach out to this guy.

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And I thought, well, I don't,
you know, I'm friends with with

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his other drummer and I'm like,
I don't want him to think that

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I'm trying to steal his guitar
player or anything, you know,

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because that's not what I was
trying to do.

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And then that's and he reached
out to me and was like, hey, you

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want to start a band?
And I'm like, yeah, because.

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And it's specifically this is a
Christian metal band, you know,

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so he's like, I've always wanted
to do that.

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That's what I want to do.
And I'm like, well, that's

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always what I wanted to do as
well is, is have a really great

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Christian metal band.
So, and I said, I didn't reach

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out to you because I didn't want
you to think of, you know, your

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band to think I was trying to
steal you.

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And he's like, well, I didn't
reach out to you because then

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what's your band trying to steal
you?

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He's like, but when I saw you're
no longer in your band, I'm

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like, I'm going to reach out to
this guy.

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So him and I are also putting a
band together.

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So again, it's, it's the
provision of I felt God told me

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to leave my current, my old
band, now my X band.

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00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,200
And of course, with that,
there's a lot of doubt.

436
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,120
And you're wondering, OK, should
I do this?

437
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Should I not do this?
But I kept it was very clear.

438
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,880
God made it very clear.
OK, it's time to move on.

439
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And within a week, you know, I,
I was in, you know, a full

440
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,680
functioning band that I'm
learning the parts for their

441
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,600
current album.
And I've already started a

442
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,120
second band, you know, with,
with my one friend who's also a

443
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,400
Christian, you know, he's a
Christian, I'm a Christian.

444
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,680
So I've always wanted to put
together a Christian metal band.

445
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,000
And he's like, OK, let's do it.
So again, the timing, the

446
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,400
timing.
I mean, the one guy didn't even

447
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,280
know I was looking for a band
and he reached out to me.

448
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,920
The other guy the same day that
I thought about reaching out to

449
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,120
him but didn't because of being
worried that my friend who is

450
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his drummer and his other man
would think, you know, I was

451
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,400
trying to steal him, which I
wasn't.

452
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,600
He reached out to me that
evening.

453
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,600
So again, it's just, I don't
like I said, I don't believe in

454
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,360
coincidence because the timing
of things is, are it's too

455
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:21,520
perfect, you know, you know,
and, and I think that's the way

456
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,120
God works.
You know, I'm really big into

457
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:29,320
apologetics and I look at things
like, you know, how the, the,

458
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,200
the balance in the universe has
to be exactly perfect in order

459
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,360
for the universe to even
function, You know, for life to

460
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,240
exist, Earth and you know, the
earth has to be perfect, the

461
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,360
distance from the sun and the
moon and you know, in order for

462
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,240
life to even exist.
And that's why I say when I look

463
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,760
at those types of things and in
everyday occurrences, to me,

464
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,880
coincidence is ridiculous, you
know, tell.

465
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,000
Us how you really feel, Shelby.
Yeah, I mean, I, I'm, I just

466
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,480
think God is truly orchestrating
all things, you know, and on.

467
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,920
I've seen that again and again
and, and a lot of times when

468
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800
people are, you know, they're
not Christians and they'll say,

469
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,320
well, this happened, this
happened, this happened.

470
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,080
You know, there's been times
I've been like, well, that was

471
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,880
God providing for you.
And, you know, I could see the

472
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,040
light bulb kind of go on and
like, well, maybe, you know, but

473
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,520
it plants a seed, you know, and
it makes people stop and think,

474
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,520
OK, maybe so maybe things were
too perfect.

475
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,520
I track with you on that.
Well, one of the questions that

476
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,800
we ask everybody and long time
listeners know this one.

477
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,840
We asked this of every guest,
and that is was it coincidence

478
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,440
or God?
And before you respond, you've

479
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,040
clearly been talking about this,
but we like to bring it to a

480
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,040
nice little neat and tidy
question.

481
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240
So give us your answer to that.
Was it coincidence or was it

482
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440
God?
Well, it's to me, it's, it's

483
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,320
always God.
You know, it is.

484
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,400
That's why, you know, again, it,
I think if you, if you logically

485
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,840
look at things and you can see
how things can, can line up, you

486
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,360
know, for, for maybe at one
point, if something one time

487
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,760
happens in somebody's life,
like, OK, coincidence.

488
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,440
But if it's again and again,
again, you know, it's like you,

489
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,480
you got to, you got to try
pretty hard to believe in

490
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,560
coincidence, in my opinion.
So yeah, I definitely believe

491
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480
it's God.
That's why I tell people I don't

492
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,280
believe in luck, you know, I
don't believe in coincidence.

493
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,000
Yep.
Well, our last question is about

494
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,520
the impact that in this case,
all of these stories have had on

495
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,760
you.
So tell us what that's like.

496
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,960
What impact or how has your life
changed based off of all of

497
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:54,720
these stories and events?
Excuse me, It's, it's deep in my

498
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,600
face so that if I get into a, a
situation, no matter what it may

499
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,800
be, you know, where I don't know
what to do or where it's, I

500
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080
don't know, you know, what's
going to happen.

501
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,400
You know how I'm going to make
ends meet or whatever it may be.

502
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,920
You know, I, the biggest thing
is it strengthened my faith to

503
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,720
know that God is going to
provide.

504
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,680
You know, one of the things that
again, he's told me over and

505
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,360
over again is remember my track
record, You know, like if you

506
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,600
start doubting now, think about
the times that I brought you

507
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,080
through here and here and here
and here.

508
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,400
And I keep having to remind
myself of that because I'm

509
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,880
human, but it's just
confirmation that you'll always

510
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440
provide.
And it, it keeps me from getting

511
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,520
too wrapped up in my own head
with worry and fretting.

512
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,400
And, you know, I, it allows me
to, to be able to, I, I'm

513
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,320
naturally kind of, you know, I
get in my head and start

514
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,840
spinning.
That's just how I've always

515
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,800
been.
But it allows me to, to at least

516
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,560
pull back from that and say, you
know, God has provided who will

517
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,880
provide.
So just relax, you know, So I, I

518
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,440
go back to scripture, you know,
where he says, you know, pray

519
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,560
and don't worry.
All things work for the good of

520
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,880
those who love the Lord.
And it's just deep in my faith

521
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,800
that no matter what happens,
he's going to bring me through

522
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
it because he has again and
again.

523
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240
And sometimes I need to hear
that, you know, because again,

524
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,160
I'm human, you know, we, we put
on blinders and we just see

525
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,600
what's in front of us at the
moment.

526
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,160
And you're like, Oh my gosh,
what are we going to do?

527
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
But what should I do?
I don't know what to do, you

528
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,760
know, and you know that I pray
and then I reach out to people

529
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,000
that God has put in my life that
I trust.

530
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,360
And then I just listen for what
he says.

531
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,600
And he always gets me through.
He always helps me to to make

532
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480
the right decisions.
And if I do stumble in my own

533
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400
flesh and make the wrong
decision, you know, he gets me

534
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,600
back on track.
So.

535
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Praise God, man.
Well, Shelby, it's been a real

536
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,240
pleasure having you on when you
look.

537
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600
You mentioned some other
stories, so we'll look forward

538
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,080
to having you back as a guest a
second time.

539
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,360
But been a real pleasure, so
thanks a bunch.

540
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,760
We'll talk soon.
Thank you so much for having me

541
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,720
and, you know, giving me the
opportunity to give God that

542
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:13,360
glory for what He's done for me.
Well, there you have it.

543
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Was it coincidence or God?
You decide for yourself, but I

544
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,480
believe you just heard a story
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00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520
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