Voice in the Hospital. Daughter Instantly Healed. How does this happen? | Kat | 011

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It was just this powerful voice
and it did not occur to me at

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all to even question it.
It didn't seem weird.

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And the voice came through to
me, and the voice said that my

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daughter was going to be OK, to
not worry, to be at peace, and

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that I needed to take care of
myself because she was going to

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need me.
Welcome to When You Look, where

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ordinary people share their
extraordinary experiences and

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you get to decide, was it
coincidence or God?

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Kat, thanks so much for coming
on When You Look.

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Really, really great to have you
here, truly.

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Thank you for having me.
I'm so excited to be a part of

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your podcast.
I really appreciate you being on

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and sharing your story.
We're excited to hear that.

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But before we get there, our
listeners want to know a little

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bit more about you, so go ahead
and introduce yourself.

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Yeah, I would love to.
So my name is Kat Artemis and I

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am a positive mindset coach and
an author of the book A New Way

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to Think About Thinking.
We live in Columbus, OH.

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I have two grown children, 23
and 26, and I'm a dog mom of two

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Goldendoodle rescues.
Awesome.

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Well, thanks a bunch again for
coming on.

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Super excited to hear your whole
story.

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But as you do that, give us a
little bit of the back story so

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we understand everything kind of
leading up to sort of a string

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of really neat events and then
walk us through all of it as it

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occurred for you.
Yes, I would love to.

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So this occurred in 2002, so 23
years ago, actually 23 years ago

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on March 27th, the day my
daughter was born and I had was

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my second pregnancy.
I had a three-year old son.

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My husband at the time was
working out of town.

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So I was home a lot alone four
days a week with my three-year

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old and my baby that I was
cooking.

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And you know, I was really
excited to have this baby and I

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wanted to do everything
differently this time, so

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differently from the first time.
So I decided to have a natural

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birth.
I didn't want any intervention

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and I wanted to have a nurse
midwife help me with the birth.

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So the only thing I didn't do
was do it at home.

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So there's a hospital here in
Columbus, OH that allows that.

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So that's the route I took.
During my pregnancy.

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I was pretty big.
I gained a lot of weight and,

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and, and I was pretty
uncomfortable.

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So that's kind of like, you
know, leading up to it, I was

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already kind of carrying a big
baby clearly and, you know,

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excited for the birth of my
daughter.

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And, you know, I had pretty
natural normal birth, I should

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say, with my son.
So I expected nothing less.

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So I went into labor.
My water, well, I didn't go into

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labor.
My water broke and my waited to

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go into labor.
And about 10 hours later, I

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still hadn't gone into labor.
So I went to the hospital.

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It was late at night and my
midwife was there.

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My mom and my husband, we're all
there gathered around.

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I'm still thinking, you know,
I'm just going to give birth.

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It's going to hurt and it will
be fine.

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But what happened was I was
unable to really push her out.

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And we didn't realize, you know,
how big of a baby she was.

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My son was 813.
So we thought it would probably

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be around that.
And you know, what happens a lot

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of times in these situations is
when the baby is engaged, they

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can't then go in and do the
C-section.

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So I had no choice but to get
her out of my body.

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And like, I remember the room
starting to feel kind of kind of

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panicky because we had to get
her out, you know?

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So anyway, a lot of times in
those situations, what happens

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is a nurse or someone else in
the room will push down on the

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stomach and force that baby out.
And when the baby's big, it's

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not uncommon for the baby to
come out with like a broken

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collarbone or maybe like nerve
damage or stretched nerves.

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And so that's kind of the lesser
of two evils 'cause if you leave

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the baby in, obviously that
could create catastrophic, you

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know, effects on the baby.
So that's what had to happen.

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So the baby, my daughter Sophia,
was born and she came out 10 lbs

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six oz and 23 inches long.
And I remember feeling really

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delirious, you know, and hearing
that and thinking like, what is

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she?
She's giant.

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And that The funny thing is she
wasn't fat at all because she

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was just so long, you know, and,
and, and it was just, it was

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wild.
I, I remember thinking, that

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can't be right.
But I was in such a delirious

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state that I, I, I knew I needed
to check back on ask on that

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later.
But that was the truth.

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She was Gray and she really
wasn't making a lot of noise and

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her Apgar score was really low.
And she had this like rapid

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breathing.
And I could tell by the feeling

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in the room that we weren't
celebrating right then.

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You know, I was tired and
delirious as I was from

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naturally birthing a 10 LB, six
ounce baby.

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I knew that that there was a lot
of concern like hanging in the

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room and and I didn't know what.
And so they let me hold her for

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a quick second and then they
told me that they needed to take

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her and put her in NICU and put
her under like an oxygen hood.

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And there wasn't really like it
wasn't overly alarming like

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they, they were concerned, but
not alarmed.

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So we're going to take her,
we're going to put her under

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this hood and then, and then
you'll be able to hold her

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later.
So I felt OK with that.

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Like I was sad that I didn't get
to hold her, but I also knew

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that she they were going to
bring her back to me.

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So my husband and my mother
decided to go on home because

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they were going to keep the baby
and NICU.

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I was out of my mind.
We were had all been up.

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It had been so stressful and and
I was OK with that.

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Like I needed to pass out.
So that's what we did.

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So a few hours later I was
awake, I was in my bed.

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I was waiting for the them to
bring me my baby and a doctor

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came in instead.
And I remember it like it was

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yesterday because he, like,
walked right in the door, but he

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didn't come up to my bed.
He just walked in and stood

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there, like right in the, like,
not quite in the doorway, but

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like a step in and.
And I was like, yeah, can I help

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you?
And he said, yeah, I'd wanted to

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let you know that there's
something going on with your

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daughter.
There's something wrong with

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her.
And I was like, well, what do

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you mean?
And he said, well, anytime we

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try to move her at all, she just
starts crying, and she turns

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like this deep, dusky rose
color, and she quits breathing.

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And we don't know what that is.
And he said we got to do a CAT

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scan and we have to do some
other tests and probably a

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Spinal Tap, and we got to figure
it out.

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And so, you know, I started to
panic and I started to cry and

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here I am.
I just had a baby and now this

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is happening.
And so I said, well, is she

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going to die?
And he was like, no, no, you

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know, kind of like, because but
she could have cerebral palsy.

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It could be a multitude of
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And we just don't know what it
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And I could tell that he had
concern, maybe alarm in his

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voice.
And I, I felt so powerless in

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that moment.
So of course I said, yeah, do

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what you have to do, do the CAT
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And I was so scared and so upset
that I couldn't be with her.

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And, and so I, I decided like, I
was crying, I was emotional, I

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was terrified.
And so I decided to call my

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husband, you know, get him to
the hospital immediately, let

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him know what's going on.
And he didn't answer.

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And he had my son with them.
They were sleeping.

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You know, this was literally a
few hours after we had been up

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all night.
And they weren't expecting, you

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know, he wasn't expecting a
call.

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So then I called my mom.
My son had been with my dad

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until my husband picked him up.
So they were also napping.

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So then I called my sister.
Still no answer.

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So there I was in my hospital
bed, terrified, thinking the

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worst, like spiraling down
completely, thinking everything

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that could go wrong.
You know, suddenly I'm I'm in

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the what if stage and going out
into the future and thinking

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like I was just terrified.
And I remembered I was going to

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try not to cry, but I'm crying.
I remembered that I had read

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somewhere that God hears a
mother's prayer and prioritizes

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it, and I decided that I needed
to hold on to that.

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And I don't know where I heard
that.

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It just like came into my mind.
Somewhere I had read it or

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somewhere I had heard it, and I
didn't even know if it was true.

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I didn't know God at the time at
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But I decided to surrender to
that and believe it.

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And so I started to pray.
And I mean pray like, pray like

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I'd never prayed before.
Completely surrendered.

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I didn't know what to say.
So I was just kind of babbling,

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needing help.
I was asking God to heal my

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daughter, you know, I was asking
him to bring us peace.

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I just felt like I was in the
middle of a storm and everything

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was just chaotic in my mind.
Yeah, I was feeling just

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terrified.
And so I'm praying and I'm

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praying.
And suddenly, like out of

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nowhere, I heard a voice again.
Like an actual voice.

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As clear as my voice is to you,
as clear as yours is to me, I

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heard a voice and for some
reason that did not seem weird

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to me at all.
Like it was the like most

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powerful thing.
It was just this powerful voice

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and it did not occur to me at
all to even question it.

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It didn't seem weird.
And the voice came through to

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me.
And the voice said that my

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daughter was going to be OK, to
not worry, to be at peace and

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that I needed to take care of
myself because she was going to

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need me.
And that was so like, like, if

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you said that to me right now
about any little thing going on

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in my life, I would probably say
Mick.

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Yeah.
Thanks.

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Thanks.
For that.

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You know, right?
But this was so powerful that I

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was like enveloped in this
piece.

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I don't even know how to
describe it.

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I'm a high strung person.
Like I'm not chill.

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So like to be completely
enveloped in something like that

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and and to feel like there's
nothing else in the world.

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But those words that were told
to me like that in and of itself

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was like just to me looking back
on it now is just unbelievable.

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And, you know, I didn't question
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And, and like, here's the thing,
I wasn't close to God at the

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time.
So I, I, I knew about God, but I

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didn't have a personal
relationship with God and I had

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never prayed to Jesus at that
point at all.

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So I wasn't like I was relying
and surrendered to something

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that I didn't even know was
true.

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But in that moment, in that
moment, everything was so

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powerful that I didn't question
it at all.

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And I I sat there after it was
over and I immediately stopped

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crying.
Like I immediately was enveloped

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in peace.
There wasn't like a coming down

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like where I had to talk myself
down, like start rationalizing.

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Well, you heard this voice and
you know it's going to be OK Now

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it was none of that.
It was so clear and and it was

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like put in me.
I don't even know how else to

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describe it.
Like it was put in me, this

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confidence and peace and I knew
for sure I was going to be OK.

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So, and I knew for sure, sorry,
my daughter was going to be OK

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and consequently I would be OK.
And so I called my midwife and I

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said, hey, like, I'm, I need to
go home and get some sleep.

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And she was like, what?
And I said, I need to be here

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for my daughter.
I need all my strength.

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I'm not allowed to hold her.
I'm not allowed to go in to NICU

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with her.
They're celebrating down the

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hall.
Everybody else is celebrating

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their babies and I can't.
And I can't be here if I'm if

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I'm going to feel better, I
can't be here.

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And she thought I was crazy.
And I mean, I would too, you

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know, like if somebody told me
that today, and this is probably

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TMI, but my placenta did not
deliver after I had my daughter.

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So she had to RIP it out, which
was horrific.

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But my daughter was afraid or my
daughter, my doctor was afraid

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that I was going to hemorrhage.
Like if something was left in

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there.
And she was like, you should not

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leave.
Like we need to keep an eye on

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you.
You need to have this anti the

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antibiotic ID going.
And I said, no, I absolutely am

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not going to hemorrhage.
I know I will be fine.

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Like I know what I need to do
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Well, she was a Christian, and
so she finally relented because

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she knew that I was going to
leave.

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I mean, I was going to leave
one.

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One way or another, it sounds
like.

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And so she said, I want to pray
with you and then I'm going to

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send you like send you home with
a pill in case you start

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hemorrhaging.
You need to take it.

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I'm like, that's fine.
I don't care whatever.

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I'm leaving.
So we prayed and then at 7:00 PM

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that night, I finally was
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And so that was 12 hours after I
delivered a 12 pound, 10 lbs,

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six ounce baby, 23 inches long
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And so I went home and, and you
would think like I would go home

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and you know, I'd be up all
night and I'd be worried, but I

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wasn't that feeling from being
in the hospital bed that that

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voice was still with me.
So I went home and I slept all

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night.
Like I slept the entire night.

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I woke up at like 4 or 5,
whatever early time.

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And I went back to the hospital
and I did feel better, like I

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hadn't slept I think in like 6
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Like I was huge.
Like I said, I'd gained 60 lbs

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and my daughter clearly was
huge.

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I was carrying a like my
daughter was like the size of

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what some people carry as twins,
but we didn't know that I wasn't

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measuring that big.
So it's no wonder.

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But I was, you know, I was
really uncomfortable for all

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those months.
And so to go home and sleep all

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night and not be worried.
And when I woke up the next day,

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I went back to the hospital and
I still wasn't worried.

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Like that feeling of peace.
I, I didn't even have to trust

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it.
It was just so in me.

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The only way I can describe it
as this, there was like maybe

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like a bubble around me that
just enveloped me.

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That's the only way I can
describe it there.

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My rational mind, which is
usually on overload, was not

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part of the discussion.
So I get to the hospital the

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next morning and she's a little
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I'm able to hold her and her arm
was not working at all.

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It was just hanging at her side.
But we really weren't talking

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about her arm.
We were talking about whatever

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it was that caused her to quit
breathing so many times in a

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row.
Not rapid breathing, but you

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move her even a little bit and
she gets cries, turns red and

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quits breathing.
So that was the thing they were

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not even really thinking about
her arm at the time, but the

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breathing situation took care of
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Like over the course of the next
seven days, she got better and

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better and and, and it's like it
didn't happen they.

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So on the day after Easter,
which was seven days later, we

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got to bring her home.
She was so battered.

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She her face was still bruised,
her little eyes were still

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swollen.
She had little pricks all over

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her body from where she had
been, you know, pricked with

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like Ivs and her little Spinal
Tap and like all those things,

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like she was just so battered.
But she was home.

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Her little arm was still
hanging.

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And they say that like babies
should have like a startle

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reflex where they're like, where
you kind of like go like just a

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little bit, not drop them, but
like, you know, like 1/2 an

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inch, their little arm should
shoot up.

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And her arm didn't like it just
didn't like it was completely

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paralyzed.
But we thought, well, maybe it's

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just the, the, the like, a
little bit of like where the

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nerves get stretched and that
usually heals itself.

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So they gave us the name of a
neurosurgeon at Children's

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Hospital.
You know, a month after we got

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home or whatever, we took her in
and they did an EMG to test her

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nerves and a CAT scan.
And they both showed that it

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wasn't nerve damage.
It was severed nerves.

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Like her nerves were severed.
They weren't torn.

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I mean, they were torn off.
They were severed because

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sometimes they, like I said,
they get stretched and they will

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heal from that, but they don't
always heal perfectly either.

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So some people, some babies
will.

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We were in the waiting room and
there were toddlers all over

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this waiting room that had
paralyzed arms.

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And so it typically happens to
big babies.

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And you know, there's a, a
blessing that they're still with

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us, right?
So like I I get that, but still.

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Your daughter's arm is
paralyzed, you know, and so we,

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we went, we go through the EMG,
we go through the CAT scan, we

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take, we go see the doctor and
the doctor said there's the

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nerves are severed.
You know, this is a worst case

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scenario they're working on.
You know, there might be a way

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to do a nerve graft when she's
like 3 or when she's a little

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older.
You know, here's here's what you

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could expect.
But there isn't a lot that we

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can do, but we're keeping an eye
on her, you know, just that,

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that normal stuff.
But there wasn't there isn't a

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lot that you can do when nerves
are torn are severed.

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Excuse me.
So I still wasn't, I, I was

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still in that bubble.
Somehow I'm still in the bubble.

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Like I, I didn't go home and
like fret, I didn't stay up all

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night.
My husband and I didn't, you

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know, ruminate on it like like I
believed, like I had enough

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belief for both of us and
everyone around me.

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Like, and it wasn't even like I,
I would have to correct people

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if they said like I was just
like, no, it's, it's fine.

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Like she's going to be OK.
Like I was told she would be OK

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and I 100% know it.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And at the time, we lived on

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this cul-de-sac and like, it's
funny because most of the people

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that lived on this cul-de-sac
were Christians and they were

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all praying and they had us all
on prayer lists and things like

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that, too, which I thought, you
know, was amazing.

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So anyway, I bring her home and
I had read this book at some

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time before I got pregnant with
her.

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I couldn't even tell you when.
And I was fascinated by people

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that lay hands on, like lay
hands on healing.

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So I had read this book about it
at some point and I had never

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done it or anything like that.
I was just fascinated by it.

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And when I got her home from
that appointment, I thought, I'm

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going to start doing that.
And it was like, I don't know,

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like it sounds so crazy to say,
but it was like given to me like

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this is what you do.
You read it.

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So I would take off her little
onesie and I would lay my hands

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on her and I just imagined like,
I didn't know what to do.

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So I just, you know, like this
is not.

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Me.
You're new to it?

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Yeah, I'm.
Way new to this stuff and I'm

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and I'm nobody's telling me,
right?

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Like I'm literally getting these
downloads.

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And so I put my little hands on
her shoulder, put my hands on

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her little shoulder and, and I
just started imagining like

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God's like healing energy, like
this blue healing energy and

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like this beautiful sparkly blue
energy from God coming through

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me and through my hands on to my
daughter.

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And, and it felt right.
And my hands felt tingly.

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And I, it all sounds like wild
when I tell it now, but this

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actually, like was an
experience.

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And like, I knew that something
was happening.

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I knew that it was happening.
And I just, I again, I was not

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questioning.
So I did that probably 3 or 4

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times a day, you know, we'd just
be laying together and then I

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would just do it.
And yeah, just whenever,

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whenever I could, like, I didn't
know how often I should do it.

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And so I just did it as much as
I, I thought I should, you know,

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and, and I, I felt that it was
working like somehow like I

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didn't see any difference.
Her arm was still paralyzed.

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But something in me just kept
saying, keep doing this and just

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keep doing it.
And and I wasn't focused on it

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not working either, which I
think is interesting because,

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you know, now if I'm trying to
make, you know, pray about

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something or I'm asking God,
like I'm noticing that it's not

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here, you know, I can focus on
lack, but I didn't do that at

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the time.
And every now and then, like a

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couple of times we thought we
saw a flicker in her wrist, but

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we weren't sure.
And then one day I was on the

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phone in my kitchen and my
kitchen and eating area and

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living room is just like 1 long
room.

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And so she was in the living
room in her swing and she was

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facing away from me and she's
just swinging along and all of a

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sudden her little arm was, her
right arm blew up over her head

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just like this, like just out of
nowhere.

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And I was like, Oh my God,
Sophie's arm just moved.

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And I like hung up the phone
right away and I went over and

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like, then she was just moving
it like, like she had always

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moved it, you know, like, then
she's just like moving it

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around.
It wasn't like weak, you know,

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like she could pick stuff up
like it was her fingers were.

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It was just like it had always
worked.

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Wow.
I know.

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And I was like, Oh my God.
So I called Doctor Elton, her

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doctor, and he said, well, let's
get her in for an another EMG

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and a CAT scan.
I'm like, OK, so we get her in.

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We go do that.
No, she's four months old at the

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time.
And so we do the EMG and there

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were three people in there.
And I don't really even know

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what who they were, what they
did, but they they're in there

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with her and they have her
results, right?

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They knew she had severed nerves
and they came out and they said

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not.
I will never forget this.

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Not only is there no evidence of
any severed nerves, but your

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daughter is right-handed.
I was like, what?

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Yeah, and I I thought that was
like, I didn't know a lot about

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EM GS at the time, so I didn't
know that you could like test

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that and see the strength and
all that different kind of

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stuff.
But it was like shocking.

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But I knew she was healed, you
know, but the fact that they

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said that we were like, Oh my
gosh.

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So then we go into go up to the
CAT scan and they, you know, put

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them in this put put babies in
this little thing and then put

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them in the big giant tube and
it's loud.

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So I sat and like, they, like,
give them the solution of like,

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sugar and something else on
their Binky to suck on to, like,

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make them calm.
And so I sat in the corner of

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the room and watched her like
little body go in.

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And they did that.
And then they brought her out.

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And like, she's at this point
now, she's missed her nap.

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She's getting jostled all
around.

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She's exhausted.
So she goes to sleep when we put

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her back in the stroller and we
go down to Doctor Elton's

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office, the neurosurgeon go in
to see him.

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He tells us the results and he
said, yeah, there's no damage at

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all.
And he's completely confounded,

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doesn't understand how that can
be.

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I knew there was no damage.
Like I knew she was fine.

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I, I was told she would be fine
and I never questioned it.

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And, and so anyway, she was
fine.

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He couldn't get her awake,
though, so he couldn't see her

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move her arm.
And no, I could appreciate if I

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was the doctor, I would be like,
yeah, but let me see because she

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could have been healed in my
eyes, but then have lasting

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issues or not a full range of
motion.

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Like there's so many things
that, like, if you use your

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rational brain, that could have
happened.

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But I was just like, no, she's
fine.

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So he said, make an appointment
on your way out.

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And I go, OK.
And I left this office.

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I walked right past the place
where you make appointments,

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that Lady.
And I just kept right on going.

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I looked at my husband like
we're leaving and we left and I

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never did make an appointment
and I never even questioned it.

443
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Like her arm was 100% fine.
And not only that, but my

444
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,640
daughter, she's she's really
tall.

445
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,680
I mean, to me anyway because I'm
55.

446
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,160
She's like 5859 and she is such
an athlete.

447
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,200
Like she's like an incredible
athlete.

448
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,800
She was a really good basketball
player in high school, you know,

449
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,160
getting in the newspaper all the
time and all that.

450
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,960
She's a second degree black belt
in Taekwondo.

451
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,760
She was a soccer goalkeeper when
she was little.

452
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Like all, all the things, you
know, she and, and, and that arm

453
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680
never got in her way.
And I've told this story a few

454
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,000
times to people that, you know,
she's played sports with just

455
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280
'cause I look at her and I
think, wow, like, she's an

456
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920
amazing athlete and yet her arm
wasn't supposed to work and God

457
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,200
healed her.
Right.

458
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,720
You know, it's like, incredible.
Yeah.

459
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Wow, Cat, so much there.
Really, really, truly.

460
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,320
Oh, man.
Let's explore a little bit more

461
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,120
of that that desperation that
you were alluding to and

462
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,960
describing being in that
hospital room and you're you're

463
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,040
all alone.
Nobody's answering their phones.

464
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Oh, it's.
And you gotta tell.

465
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,880
Take it from there.
Yeah, like tell us a little bit

466
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,920
more.
About yeah, that, that feeling

467
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,000
of, you know, when I say I was
terrified, like I really was I

468
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,280
so OK, so I wasn't an
emotionally mature 32 year old,

469
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,600
So let's just put that out
there.

470
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,560
I wasn't like, I, I know people
in their 30s now and I'm like,

471
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,720
where was I?
Like, why am I not like that?

472
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Why wasn't I?
But I wasn't, I had had a lot of

473
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,520
trauma in my life up to that
point, a lot of emotional trauma

474
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,480
too.
And and so I didn't have, I

475
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:24,360
didn't learn like how to like
kind of work my way through like

476
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,600
a major issue like that because
I had had so many problems up to

477
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,040
that point.
And and so when that happened,

478
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,720
like I there, I didn't have the
skill set like say that I might

479
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,000
have now to pause and say, well,
let me ask you some questions.

480
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,320
I'm going to hold my baby and
then we're going to talk through

481
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,480
this.
We're not going to rush into

482
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,160
anything like that was not that
that's 55 year old cat that it

483
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,760
was not 32 year old cat.
And so when that happened, I

484
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:06,800
felt I felt this immense fear
and fear is kind of like like if

485
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,960
the enemy is going to do
something to me, the enemy is

486
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,520
going to make me afraid.
Like that's my trigger for me

487
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,520
personally.
Like I know other people have

488
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,840
other things, but for me it's
fear based thinking is really

489
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,160
like that's, that's the thing
that gets me.

490
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,640
I've worked on that for a long
time.

491
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,040
So at that moment I was deep in
fear and I wasn't just afraid

492
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,320
for my daughter in that moment.
Like I was afraid like I spiral

493
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,160
down.
I'm a catastrophic thinker.

494
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,600
You know, I always say I'm a
catastrophic thinker.

495
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,800
I was made that way.
I don't have to be that way.

496
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,200
So now I know how to spiral up,
but I didn't 23 years ago know

497
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,560
how.
So I went deep and I, I went to

498
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120
the worst of the worst, like my
daughter might die, My daughter

499
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,400
might not ever be able to, you
know, like maybe she won't ever

500
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,960
be able to communicate with me.
Maybe, you know, you just don't

501
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,400
know.
And so I was in this dark, dark

502
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,840
place, you know, like when I
think of darkness, like, I think

503
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:12,120
of like this oppressive feeling
of like, you don't know any way

504
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,600
out.
You feel helpless.

505
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,080
It feels like, you know,
terrifying.

506
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,320
That's how I felt.
I, I did not have any rational

507
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,800
thoughts.
And so that's where I was

508
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,600
emotionally.
So, and plus I being alone in

509
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120
that situation.
And, you know, I'm, I'm always

510
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,280
with people, so, you know, to be
alone in the situation, not be

511
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,080
able to like, you know, look at
your partner, you know, your

512
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,400
husband at the time or, you
know, whatever and say, OK, what

513
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,880
are we going to do?
Like there was no calming voice.

514
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,000
And so I didn't, I wasn't a true
leader in my own life, I don't

515
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,960
think at that time either.
So I get everything just

516
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,280
happened to me, you know, and,
and so I felt really powerless.

517
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,320
And, and that's really all.
I mean, the fear was probably

518
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,640
the worst part.
And in the darkness.

519
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,880
And then, yeah.
And then I, I just like right in

520
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,000
the middle of that where my mind
was just going crazy is when I

521
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240
had that thought, like God hears
a mother's prayer.

522
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,120
And like, I know I'm not saying
it right, but like, it was like

523
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,680
God hears a mother's prayer and
prioritizes it kind of like he

524
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,360
hears that first kind of thing.
Like he's getting those right

525
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,360
now.
You know, when those go up, he's

526
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520
grabbing those.
Like, I don't, I don't know what

527
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,280
I thought.
I just knew that I'd heard that

528
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,640
somewhere.
And I was like, you know, and so

529
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560
I was like, OK, if that's true,
I'm going to do that right now.

530
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,120
If that's true, I'm doing that
right now.

531
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,480
And like, I just did it.
Like I didn't even, I felt like,

532
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600
well, this sounds sad, but like
it was like my last resort.

533
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,560
I tried my husband, I tried my
sister, I tried my mom and dad.

534
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,280
But now, so when I, when I
started to come through that

535
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,760
though and get to know Jesus and
build my relationship with God,

536
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,880
I started to realize like that
was necessary for me.

537
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,280
Like when God shuts everyone out
of your life, you can you become

538
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000
closer to God.
I mean, not everybody, but I did

539
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,480
right.
Like if there's nobody else to

540
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,320
go to and God wants your
attention, you know, then, then

541
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
that's a good way for, for you
to like listen.

542
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560
And I, you know, I, that's just
kind of how I see it now.

543
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,600
And so when all that happened,
I, I found that voice and I, or

544
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,560
I found my voice to ask and I
found surrender, which I didn't

545
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,440
know.
I was like, I didn't like there

546
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
was no logic happening.
It's not like I said I'm

547
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,880
surrendering, but I did
surrender because I didn't have

548
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,400
any other choice but to go to
the almighty and say I, I need

549
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,560
help.
I am desperate for help.

550
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:08,280
I need this, I need you and and
then he talked to me and that it

551
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,280
wasn't special, you know, and I
didn't feel now I know that God

552
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,040
thinks we're all special.
So don't get me wrong, But I,

553
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,240
you know, he loves, he knows
every hair on her head, you

554
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:30,040
know, but I, I don't know, I, I
felt very much like I was all, I

555
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,320
was completely enveloped in his
peace.

556
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,840
So it was amazing.
Yeah, 'cause you describe that

557
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:43,280
with the bubble and and a a term
that you use was knowing, I

558
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,720
knew.
I had a knowing.

559
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:54,160
I was in this bubble.
Yes, yes, I had a knowing I had

560
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,480
peace.
I felt like I felt confident in

561
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,640
his words, you know, I felt
confident in what he told me and

562
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,920
I did not question it.
And that confidence stayed with

563
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,920
me.
It didn't go away.

564
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,120
It stayed with me through the
whole thing.

565
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,440
Like it.
It's amazing to me.

566
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Yeah, wow.
Well, Sophie, it sounds like is

567
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,800
in her 20s.
She's had a a lifetime now for,

568
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,200
for her at least with an arm
that works wonderfully and has

569
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,960
had lots of athletic endeavors.
But tell us a little bit more

570
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:41,080
for you in terms of what what
happened sort of afterwards.

571
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,200
You know when, when you walk
out, you bypass the appointment

572
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,200
booth and you say, hey, we're
good, we're out of here 'cause I

573
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,280
know she's healed.
What was sort of like a life

574
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,680
like after that for you, for you
personally?

575
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Yeah, so that really started my
journey to getting to know God.

576
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,240
Like after that I was so
grateful.

577
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,960
I started praying all the time
and praying like I was new at

578
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:17,240
it, but just talking to God and
I started doing some volunteer

579
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,200
work at the Ronald McDonald
House.

580
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,120
And I, I just started to, to, to
lean into that relationship.

581
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,680
And then it wasn't long after
that, probably within a year is

582
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,080
when I started praying
specifically to Jesus.

583
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,960
And then I had friends that like
people just started showing up

584
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,120
in my life that led me to
different Bible studies.

585
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,560
And as soon as like I prayed to
Jesus, if you're real, you need

586
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,280
to show me.
And I that's probably not the

587
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,200
right prayer, but that's what I
said.

588
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,000
And Jesus goes, OK, I will show
you.

589
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,240
And so I always tell people
like, if you're unclear, unsure,

590
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,000
just go ahead and make a say,
say a prayer to Jesus and like

591
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,720
he will be there for you.
So if you don't know, just say

592
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,600
whatever because he'll be there.
And, and that's what happened

593
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,840
with me anyway.
And so that really started, you

594
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,200
know, a lifelong now 23 year
relationship with God and with

595
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Jesus.
Wow.

596
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,080
Praise God.
Praise God.

597
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Well, Kat, we usually land these
conversations with two

598
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,240
questions, and we certainly do
that for all of our guests.

599
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,040
So the first one is, and I got a
pretty good sense of of how

600
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,360
you're going to respond to this
one, but give us a sense, was

601
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:41,480
this coincidence or God?
This was 100% God, in my

602
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,200
opinion.
I mean, every when any, I still

603
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:51,960
hold on to this 23 years later,
you know, and, and I just

604
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,000
hearing that voice and then
being enveloped in that bubble,

605
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,720
like I think coincidence could
be like, oh, OK, your daughter

606
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,160
was healed.
But to me, there's so much more

607
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,880
to it because being enveloped in
the peace, hearing the voice,

608
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,320
the knowing, especially for
someone like me who questions

609
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,880
everything, like, you know,
there was so much more to it,

610
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,800
you know, in my opinion, that
that's why, that's why I

611
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,560
believed it was God, because I
think otherwise I'd probably be

612
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,160
like, yeah, it's a coincidence.
I don't think that's real.

613
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,480
So there was too many, too much
that went on over the course of

614
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,080
a period of time, too.
We're talking, you know, four

615
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,040
months, you know, So.
Yeah.

616
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Awesome.
Yes.

617
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Well, how has your life changed
as a result of all of this?

618
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Oh my gosh.
Well, I've had other experiences

619
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,960
with God sense I've had some
amazing experiences where I've

620
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,080
called out and like desperately
needed him and he's been there

621
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,200
throughout these years.
I've I feel like my life has

622
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,760
completely transformed.
So I'm not perfect at any of

623
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,960
this and I still definitely have
my down days, but at the same

624
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,880
time.
I have so much faith now and I

625
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,000
trust God and I lean on God and
he's a part of my everyday life

626
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,080
and that's there's nothing like
that feeling.

627
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,880
There's just absolutely nothing
like it.

628
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Tell us a little more about part
of your everyday life.

629
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,920
He's part of your everyday life.
Yeah.

630
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,320
So I use prayer to guide me and
my decisions.

631
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,640
God asked me to write this book
in 2015 that I wrote a new way

632
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,680
to think about thinking.
And I told him no.

633
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,840
And he said no, yes, you will do
it.

634
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,920
And I said no.
And we argued about it until

635
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,520
2018 when I finally, when I
finally started on it and when I

636
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,440
like when I wrote the book, when
I finally sat down and like did

637
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,280
my final copy, I felt like the
information given to me was

638
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,320
downloaded to me.
It was amazing experience.

639
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,800
Like it felt like it came from
God.

640
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,440
And and I have a lot of
experiences like that.

641
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:21,040
So I feel like my compass is, is
definitely, you know, my compass

642
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,520
is, is what God wants me to be
doing all the time.

643
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,360
Yeah, fabulous.
That sounds like a whole nother

644
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,400
story.
It's.

645
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,920
A whole other story for sure.
Yes, yes.

646
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,560
So.
Maybe we'll have you back on for

647
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,320
another episode, but man, this
one has been amazing.

648
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,240
Thank you so much.
For.

649
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:46,200
Sharing the story, I mean, it's,
it's it's heart wrenching as

650
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Sophie, you know, deals with the
challenges that she deals with.

651
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,480
And as you deal with the
challenges that you deal with

652
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,560
and the the redemption that
occurs here from a both

653
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,920
emotional and a spiritual and a
physical state is just really,

654
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
really wonderful.
So thank you so much for for

655
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,880
sharing all this.
I'm confident that those that

656
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,200
hear this will be blessed.
But you mentioned the book and

657
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,720
give us a sense for how folks
can check out the book or follow

658
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,840
you and those types of things.
So my book is a new way to think

659
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,080
about thinking by Cat Artemis.
That's me and you can get it

660
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,000
exclusively on Amazon and you
can find more about me at

661
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,160
directedthoughts.com and you can
follow me on my Instagram, which

662
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,280
is directed under score thoughts
on Instagram.

663
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So.
Kat, true pleasure.

664
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Thank you.
For having me.

665
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Thank you so much for letting me
tell my story.

666
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This, this, even this is God LED
for me.

667
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,400
I mean, the way this even came
about.

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So yeah.
No, no, no doubt that the best

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story here, you know, indicates
that as such.

670
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,840
So, yeah, Well, really a
pleasure.

671
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Thank you a bunch.
Thank.

672
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:08,960
You thank you so much.
Well, there you have it.

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Was it coincidence or God?
You decide for yourself, but I

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believe you just heard a story
for His glory.

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